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Stop the whining about Plex price - Get some facts
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DeliaPrescot
Balintol
#1 - 2012-03-24 12:16:54 UTC
I just had enough about the daily whining.

Facts:
- Most common ISK rescource is still from Bounties, LvL 4 missions and running Anos/Belts in 0.0
- Incursions are a great ISK resource, too
- Newer Players not older than 1 or 2 months aren't really able to accumulate enough ISK to pay with Plex (or have to invest a lot of hours), that hasn't changed well since forever.

Now have a look at a Player about 4months old, he is able to accumulate enough ISK to pay for Plex at 500m or even 1b.
- Even the dumbest Player with a subpar fitting is able to make at worst 20m/h ISK with LvL 4, equals 25h at 500m or 50h at 1b, that is only 1day/2days gametime the dumbest Player have to spend to be able to play EVE for "free" a whole month.
This is my baseline:
25h gametime at 500m/Plex to play EVE for a month
50h gametime at 1b/Plex to play EVE for a month

This scales with how much effort and basic common sense a Player is investing to get a better ISK/h ratio to reduce the grind to play EVE for "free".
- LvL 4 can easily be worth 40m/h ISK including LP
- Incursions can easily be worth 100m/h ISK including LP
Average LvL 4 Player:
12.5h gametime at 500m/Plex to play EVE for a month
25h gametime at 1b/Plex to play EVE for a month
Average Incursion Player:
5h gametime at 500m/Plex to play EVE for a month
10h gametime at 1b/Plex to play EVE for a month

I will stop here and won't go any further into the ISK/h any sophisticated Player can make with a perfect setup for LvL 4, Incursions, 0.0 Anos, Trading, Industrie etc.

1b per PLEX for a month gametime would be cheap and no one should complain until Plex price raise to 10b a piece.
ChYph3r
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-24 12:19:25 UTC
You can not simply stop the Tears via a post.....the Tears are to strong for that.

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-24 12:20:36 UTC
So you play eve 24/7?

Dodixie > Hek
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-24 12:31:04 UTC
Im a highsec carebear and i only run incursions and i make that in 20 minutes. And like most people in highsec we run incursions all day long while lowsec pirates and nullbears make a fraction of what we do.


In fact we have so much isk that occasionally we just fill up a hauler with tech bought from the market and just jump into lowsec to spread the wealth

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-24 12:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rico Minali
Forum killed my post and turned it tinto a flat wallof text, so i deleted it. Apologies.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-24 12:45:57 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
So you play eve 24/7?



Sadly those of us with wives, kids and jobs cant do that, and grinding isk for half our evetime just so we can stay and do what we really liek teh other half is a bag of ass tbh.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Vince Snetterton
#7 - 2012-03-24 13:26:33 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
So you play eve 24/7?



Sadly those of us with wives, kids and jobs cant do that, and grinding isk for half our evetime just so we can stay and do what we really liek teh other half is a bag of ass tbh.


Gee, you have a real life?
And that means that job thingy?

If you have real life commitments, and maybe 15 units of whatever currency you use lying around a month, here is a novel concept, you can pay real money for your account.

Just because you don't have the time to invest in Eve because you choose to do other things does not mean that the economy of Eve should cater to you.

There are many many people who would love to have a job where they could then pay for Eve with real money.
Also, there might be much smarter players than you who make much more ISK/hour than you and don't have to worry about the grind that you do, because they make more efficient use of their time.
Sneakybustard
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-03-24 13:30:18 UTC
DeliaPrescot wrote:
I just had enough about the daily whining.

Facts:
- Most common ISK rescource is still from Bounties, LvL 4 missions and running Anos/Belts in 0.0
- Incursions are a great ISK resource, too
- Newer Players not older than 1 or 2 months aren't really able to accumulate enough ISK to pay with Plex (or have to invest a lot of hours), that hasn't changed well since forever.

Now have a look at a Player about 4months old, he is able to accumulate enough ISK to pay for Plex at 500m or even 1b.
- Even the dumbest Player with a subpar fitting is able to make at worst 20m/h ISK with LvL 4, equals 25h at 500m or 50h at 1b, that is only 1day/2days gametime the dumbest Player have to spend to be able to play EVE for "free" a whole month.
This is my baseline:
25h gametime at 500m/Plex to play EVE for a month
50h gametime at 1b/Plex to play EVE for a month

This scales with how much effort and basic common sense a Player is investing to get a better ISK/h ratio to reduce the grind to play EVE for "free".
- LvL 4 can easily be worth 40m/h ISK including LP
- Incursions can easily be worth 100m/h ISK including LP
Average LvL 4 Player:
12.5h gametime at 500m/Plex to play EVE for a month
25h gametime at 1b/Plex to play EVE for a month
Average Incursion Player:
5h gametime at 500m/Plex to play EVE for a month
10h gametime at 1b/Plex to play EVE for a month

I will stop here and won't go any further into the ISK/h any sophisticated Player can make with a perfect setup for LvL 4, Incursions, 0.0 Anos, Trading, Industrie etc.

1b per PLEX for a month gametime would be cheap and no one should complain until Plex price raise to 10b a piece.



no. suck my ****
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-24 13:46:19 UTC
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:
Im a highsec carebear and i only run incursions and i make that in 20 minutes. And like most people in highsec we run incursions all day long while lowsec pirates and nullbears make a fraction of what we do.


In fact we have so much isk that occasionally we just fill up a hauler with tech bought from the market and just jump into lowsec to spread the wealth


No, no, we officer fit rookie ships. Didn't you get the memo?
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DeliaPrescot
Balintol
#10 - 2012-03-24 19:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DeliaPrescot
Just for giggles
Found it here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=76993

Medai Kesrith wrote:
About LvL 4 missioning, i'm currently testing how much you can get.

Setup:
1x Gank pimped Machariel with full set damage imps, no booster alt
2x Alts with standing
2x Systems within 1jump
1st one Minmatar L4 Agent with System real sec 0,52
2nd one Amarr L4 Agent with System real sec 0,56

Farming Blockade and Dread Pirate Scarlet
Blockade (vs Angel Cartel only) has 2 different setups, one with 21.4m and one with 17.8m bounty (except the trigger to finish the mission)
Dread Pirate Scarlet differs depending on what faction is spawning but it's around 32m bounty (except the trigger to finish the mission)

ISK/h (pure mission time)
Blockade is ~13mins > 98m/h or 82m/h depending which setup you get
Dread Pirate Scarlet is ~21mins > 91m/h

Problem with Dread Pirate Scarlet are Guristas which costs you about 1-2min per mission depending on how often you get jammed. I can get with 2 agents and 3 chars 6 missions per day and can farm them for 1week, all missions within 1jump or same system.
Calculation per day for 6x Blockade best setup
128m with 78mins pure mission time, add some extra mins for warp and jump. Roughly i need 85mins to make 128m each day that are 90m/h.

You won't get any LP or loot doing this but you are completely independent, stationary and no struggle with mates or logistics etc. You can either decline (make sure you don't kill your faction/corp standing) missions until you get the Blockade/Dread Pirate Scarlet or cherry pick the other semi good ones and farm some LP until you get another Blockade/Dread Pirate Scarlet.


Comparing that with my trading alts:
My alts are doing contract trading with some faction and deadspace mods nothing to expansive. I need about 1h per day to maintain the buy and sell contracts all in all my profit is about 3billion per usual week it can varying +-1billion on a bad or good week and if i invest extra time to update the contracts.
Lets say 3billion with 7h work > 428m/h .... i doubt there is any other profession which makes that ISK/h ratio.