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Why so much miner hate?
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Prince Kobol
#21 - 2012-03-24 09:46:02 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Xioden Acap wrote:
Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears.


Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying...


They have done however if CCP do change drone poo to just bounties then things should get interesting Big smile
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-24 09:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Darth A30NZ wrote:
Obvious why every likes miners.


PvPers who don't know how to instawarp their pods. Lol
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#23 - 2012-03-24 09:57:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
Some interesting opinions here.

You guys are probably wondering about me, but here's how I have been playing the past couple of years.

A) I mine and/or do PI
B) I manufacture
C) I can-flip
D) I (sometimes) roam around low-sec
E) I (sometimes) live in Wormholes
F) My corporation is sometimes part of an Alliance (null-sec or what-have-you)
G) I do missions here and there
H) I lose a lot of PODs
I) I do exploration
J) And I run probably one of the smallest corporations in EVE

I really can't figure out what exactly it is I want to do and stick with. Wormholes are sounding attractive again, but I like being able to dock when I want to. And, yeah, this isn't the only character I've ever played with, just my favorite, for now.
Gedid Tava
Alpha Galactic Group
#24 - 2012-03-24 10:05:42 UTC
OP: There's very little actual hate. The number of people who feel actual hate for miners is small and those people are taking their internet space ships -far- too seriously. What you're seeing is a very common human behavior where those who engage in questionable behavior (questionable to the miners, obviously) then develop a party line that justifies their actions. Hate? Oh no. It's just easy targets and using evocative rhetoric to prop themselves up.

It happens.

I found the "Why are miners evil." post equal parts comical and saddening. I got my start in EVE as a miner and have been mining in every MMO I've played since EQ. I can't quite explain it but I find the act calming, almost meditative. I reap actual pleasure from pulling rocks from other rocks. And, yes, I have gone through quite the rock collection IRL as well. Am I representative of the whole? Hardly, however, I also serve to disprove the black/white nature that people attempt to claim as reality.

Why don't I mine anymore? Opportunity cost, mostly. I could hisec mine but it's a -fantastic- waste of time compared to other ways to pull in isk that I then use on ships that are then blown up. What? Someone who mined to fund PvP? Impossible! But no, it's true! I could go to null and mine but then I would have to deal with null politics and.. yea.. no. I live in WHs and I mine gas from time to time but most I choose to use my cannons to mine sleepers instead. For me, it doesn't matter if my lasers are shooting rocks or rats, if I'm doing something easy to get stuff to sell so I can buy boats and shoot other players then that's that.

There's little true miner hate, Virginia. It's just bullies being bullies and not having the stones to say "I like making people sad so I can feel good." Old news.
Spectre80
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-24 10:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Spectre80
i only hate miners who are bots or use macros to keep mining all day. other than that i would never kill a miner outside of 0.0

i have better targets that can actually shoot back. what joy is there to kill someone who wont even fight back?
Xioden Acap
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-24 11:05:36 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Xioden Acap wrote:
Lots of people love miners. They mine all that juicy tritanium that is in everyone's ships. They are also sitting in nice juicy loot pinatas full of yummy strip miners and carebear tears.


Most minerals come from reprocessed drone poo and reprocessed mission loot. Just saying...


Battle Hulks. That is all.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#27 - 2012-03-24 11:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
It only appears to be a lot of folks hating on Industry.

It's actually just a zealous small minority (mosly lead by the Goons).

You must understand they have the mindset of the Religious Right in America: "you will do things our way, you bad person, or else...."

It's the 'or else' you must ignore.

They will eventually get bored and move on to some other game...............may take awhile, but nothing is permanent.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#28 - 2012-03-24 15:09:07 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
I love how gankers, whom the game mechanics heavily favor, like to say "risk averse" as though:

a.) They know what it means.

b.) It's not what they are.

Don't you?

About the OP - There isn't a lot of hate for miners. There's a vocal few trying to use the forum to make it seem like there is, 'cause they don't want anyone fixing their "risky" gameplay...ganking miners...by making things difficult for them...like treating them as the criminals they are so proud to be.


Are you referring to me in this post, lady? I'm a nullsec miner. There is always a huge risk in nullsec. I can't begin to tell you how many Barges and Exhumers and Orcas I've lost. Mining in Null is one of the most risky things.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-03-24 15:10:11 UTC
I don't hate miners.

Shooting miners is like popping bubble wrap. You know you shouldn't, but there's something about it that's just irresistible.

KB Link
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#30 - 2012-03-24 15:30:32 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
I'm curious. How does player A, who mines, effect, you, Player B, who absolutely abhors asteroids? Is it because you live in nullsec and you feel you're missing out on someone who could be a possible target? Or are a lot of people feeling extra trolly? I wanna know.


Its not miner hate, in fact it is not about you at all.

It is low skill PvPers looking for easy kills.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#31 - 2012-03-24 15:30:36 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Mining in Null is one of the most risky things.


If you're even considering doing it, then losing anything means you're doing it wrong :D

The pie is a tautology
Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#32 - 2012-03-24 15:32:00 UTC
People hate miners because 90% of low and null are dead. They wish there was more people out to shoot. Those 1 or 2 tengu pilots are not going to give the leet pvpers a fight while they are doing sites.

I have more space likes than you. 
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#33 - 2012-03-24 15:53:55 UTC
I can't answer for anybody else.

I hate them because they are scum. In New Eden, there are many pirates and drones that wish to kill off the 4 races. These entities can be found everywhere. Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials.

The miner is the laziest of the immortals. He sits around all day and rapes the environment instead of fighting the oppressors of humanity. He takes a smaller paycheck because he is a coward. He deserves to loose that paycheck. I have found countless miners asleep in the belts. Anyone who sleeps on the job while failing to use his immortality to fight its oppressors is the worst kind in my book.

/RP

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
gfldex
#34 - 2012-03-24 16:06:47 UTC
A long long time ago we where all miners. Pretty golden Apocs humming away to gain the mins to build the ship to blow up other folks ships. Then barges where introduced and a special kind of player entered the game. One that is mining to mine more and then mines to mine even more. And all that for some number in some database near London.

As a result mineral prices dropped. Isogen used to be at 180 ISK back in the days. Why would you possibly want to mine for that little income? There is only one reasonable answer to that questions. Mining is easy to macro. They are all cheaters and as such disgusting. Why would you not want to hate cheaters?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#35 - 2012-03-24 16:10:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Its because most gankers are cowards that perfer easy kills from players that can't or don't want to shoot back. That and its easy isk.

They die in an actual fight, hense why they come to high for the easy kills off players that have no interest in pvp.

And with the bounty system broken, they know there is absolutely no risk!

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-03-24 16:19:38 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials.


So, how many modules you have to reprocess to get minerals for your 1000 titans?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2012-03-24 16:23:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Their ships and weapons can be reprocessed into raw materials.


So, how many modules you have to reprocess to get minerals for your 1000 titans?


Only lazy bastard would ask that question instead of figuring it out for themselves. You must be a miner.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-03-24 16:23:55 UTC
I would have to say mining is quite risky at this point in time... So risky adverse? Not any more.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2012-03-24 16:26:01 UTC
Gedid Tava wrote:
For me, it doesn't matter if my lasers are shooting rocks or rats, if I'm doing something easy to get stuff to sell so I can buy boats and shoot other players then that's that.

Basically yes, mining lazers or gun lazers, it isn't really THAT different. Especially (for now anyway) when people mine minerals by killing drones with lazer guns.

Especially with some semi-afk ratting ships where you drop sentries and so on, it's pretty similar to mining when you think about it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-03-24 16:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Cipher Jones wrote:
Only lazy bastard would ask that question instead of figuring it out for themselves. You must be a miner.


My point is you need a lot of loot to reprocess. You need way too many even to build one. Your reprocessing strategy works only with frigates and cruisers. Even then you have to buy some ot he minerals.
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