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Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#81 - 2012-03-23 16:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Griznatch
Gnaw LF wrote:
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
--Ninja salvaging has effectively dead since the Noctis crashed salvage prices.
Mission runner baiting, now on life support since the Orca nerfs - will be effectively dead.

The kill itself was rarely a problem, it was the time spent getting trying to get aggression. "Always bet on stupid" was the motto, however.

Well, CCP finally figured out how to save the stupid. Give them a life preserver that they can't figure out how to take off.
"Bear safety condom on = bear don't die."

But, like I said, that profession has been on life support for awhile. Ninja looting, alternative gameplay, RIP. Good job, CCP.


--People seem to be so focused on 'can flippers'. Can flipping has been a joke for a very long time....very low returns on your time, lots of boredom.

Suspect flags are about killing off ganking 'for profit'.

Most of this does not effect me directly, because I almost exclusively kill Exhumers and the loot is simply not that important....I'll carry on instapopping miners day in and day out.

But for those gankers who need to turn a profit - simply looting the wreck (that you killed) will allow anyone to attack you.

First, the RISK:
-spending hours scanning targets
-getting the kill (not guaranteed while ship/insurance loss IS guaranteed)
-cargo must drop....
-cargo must not be stolen by others...
and now....
-you must survive simply collecting the loot - on busy trade routes, no less.

Have fun scooping a successful freighter gank with another freighter.

The risks and inconveniences are being piled on. I'm not seeing any rewards on the other side of the equation.

I would have liked to see PODs drop implants.
I would like to see Orcas made scannable and drop loot - the corporate cargo bay is too easily exploited by haulers.

But I suppose CCP only caters to carebears in highsec these days....Roll



I am sorry "guy who picks on newbs who dont know how can flipping mechanics work" but you contribute nothing to the game experience besides your sweet, delicious tears just now. I am all for EvE being a dangerous and hostile place, but I have no sympathy for people who are more useless then **** on a bowl.




it is you that should learn game mechanics...
one look at your fail killboard proves you are an Eve Simpleton



Never claimed that I am a PRO.
But if you do look at my KB: http://kb4.eveaquila.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1203530224
You will see that I am not risk averse.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1485294-0/page/1#18

POW, right in the kisser.



Tell is more about how killing single individuals with a 5-10 man gang is risky.



*****edit snipe like a baus*****

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-03-23 17:00:23 UTC
Griznatch wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Pamela Podpopper wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
--Ninja salvaging has effectively dead since the Noctis crashed salvage prices.
Mission runner baiting, now on life support since the Orca nerfs - will be effectively dead.

The kill itself was rarely a problem, it was the time spent getting trying to get aggression. "Always bet on stupid" was the motto, however.

Well, CCP finally figured out how to save the stupid. Give them a life preserver that they can't figure out how to take off.
"Bear safety condom on = bear don't die."

But, like I said, that profession has been on life support for awhile. Ninja looting, alternative gameplay, RIP. Good job, CCP.


--People seem to be so focused on 'can flippers'. Can flipping has been a joke for a very long time....very low returns on your time, lots of boredom.

Suspect flags are about killing off ganking 'for profit'.

Most of this does not effect me directly, because I almost exclusively kill Exhumers and the loot is simply not that important....I'll carry on instapopping miners day in and day out.

But for those gankers who need to turn a profit - simply looting the wreck (that you killed) will allow anyone to attack you.

First, the RISK:
-spending hours scanning targets
-getting the kill (not guaranteed while ship/insurance loss IS guaranteed)
-cargo must drop....
-cargo must not be stolen by others...
and now....
-you must survive simply collecting the loot - on busy trade routes, no less.

Have fun scooping a successful freighter gank with another freighter.

The risks and inconveniences are being piled on. I'm not seeing any rewards on the other side of the equation.

I would have liked to see PODs drop implants.
I would like to see Orcas made scannable and drop loot - the corporate cargo bay is too easily exploited by haulers.

But I suppose CCP only caters to carebears in highsec these days....Roll



I am sorry "guy who picks on newbs who dont know how can flipping mechanics work" but you contribute nothing to the game experience besides your sweet, delicious tears just now. I am all for EvE being a dangerous and hostile place, but I have no sympathy for people who are more useless then **** on a bowl.




it is you that should learn game mechanics...
one look at your fail killboard proves you are an Eve Simpleton



Never claimed that I am a PRO.
But if you do look at my KB: http://kb4.eveaquila.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1203530224
You will see that I am not risk averse.
http://eve-search.com/thread/1485294-0/page/1#18

POW, right in the kisser.



Tell is more about how killing single individuals with a 5-10 man gang is risky.



*****edit snipe like a baus*****



Oh I am sorry, I guess I should be leet solo roamer in order to have a qualified opinion on anything in this game. Roaming null in small gangs, living in w-space, all risk free. It needs to be solo vs a dozen enemies. Not Garmon don't care, amiright?
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#83 - 2012-03-23 17:34:34 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:

*snip*

Oh I am sorry, I guess I should be leet solo roamer in order to have a qualified opinion on anything in this game. Roaming null in small gangs, living in w-space, all risk free. It needs to be solo vs a dozen enemies. Not Garmon don't care, amiright?


1) Holy **** you people need to quit with the enormous pyramid

and 2) It is amazing how fast you went from offensive insults against cowardly griefers to a completely frantic/mindless defensive stance like that ^ - acting like everybody is RANDOMLY attacking YOUR play style...


Seriously:
If you can't stand the heat, quit pouring gasoline all over yourself and jumping into the fire......

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2012-03-23 18:21:20 UTC
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:

*snip*

Oh I am sorry, I guess I should be leet solo roamer in order to have a qualified opinion on anything in this game. Roaming null in small gangs, living in w-space, all risk free. It needs to be solo vs a dozen enemies. Not Garmon don't care, amiright?


1) Holy **** you people need to quit with the enormous pyramid

and 2) It is amazing how fast you went from offensive insults against cowardly griefers to a completely frantic/mindless defensive stance like that ^ - acting like everybody is RANDOMLY attacking YOUR play style...


Seriously:
If you can't stand the heat, quit pouring gasoline all over yourself and jumping into the fire......



It was more of a sarcastic remark to a previous comment. Though, I truly want to see someone argue that small gang pvp is risk free or less risk then can flipping. In the end all I really want is more tears from these ninja bears :)
BuzzyBeagle
Centers for Intergalactic Mercantile Acquisition
#85 - 2012-03-23 19:23:27 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:

*snip*

Oh I am sorry, I guess I should be leet solo roamer in order to have a qualified opinion on anything in this game. Roaming null in small gangs, living in w-space, all risk free. It needs to be solo vs a dozen enemies. Not Garmon don't care, amiright?


1) Holy **** you people need to quit with the enormous pyramid

and 2) It is amazing how fast you went from offensive insults against cowardly griefers to a completely frantic/mindless defensive stance like that ^ - acting like everybody is RANDOMLY attacking YOUR play style...


Seriously:
If you can't stand the heat, quit pouring gasoline all over yourself and jumping into the fire......



It was more of a sarcastic remark to a previous comment. Though, I truly want to see someone argue that small gang pvp is risk free or less risk then can flipping. In the end all I really want is more tears from these ninja bears :)


you seem quite butthurt by these notorious "ninjabears"
Garmon
Gods Holy Light Bringing You're Penance
#86 - 2012-03-23 19:33:52 UTC
This new mechanic will put more risk into highsec, it's not surprising that the carebears would cry about it, as demonstrated by this thread
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Griznatch
Distinguished Gentleman's Boating Club
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#87 - 2012-03-23 19:42:15 UTC
Speak of the devil and he doth appear.

I used to have a clever sig but I lost it.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-03-23 20:30:14 UTC
You do know that it still counts as a murder if you kill someone that tries to stop you from killing someone else ?

Crying about loosing sec for killing the "highsec heroes" that come after the suspect is absolutely crazy and makes no sense.

Funny how people strut around being all badass outlaw and all but when they would actually become an outlaw (Definition: an outlaw is declared as outside the protection of the law) you break down to tears as your immunity against the "noob carebears" shatters and the helpless victims get to shoot back !

I guess it sucks to get used to actual risk and having to do some real pvp and not just press F1 in the gank fit all dps throwaway.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2012-03-23 20:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
BuzzyBeagle wrote:


you seem quite amused by the tears of these irrelevant "ninjabears"



Fixed it for you
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#90 - 2012-03-23 21:48:11 UTC
Hi sec was boring even when all that griefing you chaps do was still possible. And it will always and should always be that way. Get into null and shoot people who want to fight and stop preying on hapless carebears. You buncha innerweb bullies.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#91 - 2012-03-23 21:48:15 UTC
It appears that "Inferno" is actually a reference to the forums.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-03-24 01:40:59 UTC
noob basher tears, best tears
El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#93 - 2012-03-24 18:58:00 UTC
kiki mo wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/1tLtR.jpg

New "suspect" flag
- Minor crimes. Anyone can shoot you without penalty
- Flipping a can for example
- Anyone assisting a suspect becomes a suspect
- Not sure if gate guns will attack a suspect

All of the above seems fine...right? The twist on this; at least as far as I've been led to believe is that

- Killing somebody, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit (even if they shoot at you first) up to -5
- Killing somebody, who is +5, while you are a 'suspect' incurs a sec status hit up to -10
- The 'assisting' suspect-flagged RR pilot also incurs the security hit if a ship was killed

So, since this won't stop the hisec ganking (until that eventually gets nerfed into impossibility this coming year), do you think the idea is to 'force' more people into Low-Sec and Null while protecting the new bear population?

Do you think that will work? It seems, to me at least, to be aimed at the ninjas, can-flippers and other ne'er-do-wells of hisec with the intention of creating a completely safe zone. War decs can be scraped off, bounties don't mean a thing, plus apparently there will be one-time settable toggles to set it so you never, unintentionally, ever go red to somebody else.

My guess is that with Empire space as a completely safe zone, with no possibility of non-consesual PvP or any player to player content, this will pretty much end up being a completely safe and boring high-sec, (still) nearly-empty lowsec and the continued Null power blocks (if you're not 'in' with them and the politics, you'll be in hisec safety)

thoughts?

My thought is that it will eventually seriously degrade the game as it was first introduced and even how it is played today. People who start Eve to just try it out will stay in high-sec (unless they have friends in the null alliances) and play for a while until they get bored of the grind. You will no longer have the ****-fit navy Dominix that dies in his mission, gets an adrenaline rush he'd never experienced before, gets excited and learns more about fitting a ship properly who then either is motivated to move to nullsec or become a white knight to combat the 'honorless internet jerks'...or possibly become one of the 'jerks' themselves.


there is no way in hell any sane person would think this would make eve better, im no can flipper but that sounds ******** as hell, steal someones can, go red to all eve and if shoot back get a sec hit? just dumb, morons could think of a more interesting mechanic and in no way at all makes highsec safe
people will just trade characters join corps and grief the crap out of highsec corps that way, dumb dumb dumb

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El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#94 - 2012-03-24 19:15:01 UTC
telling you some 'nub' who that mechanic is trying to protect will think the whole of eve can shoot at him and before they even understand the principle of theft they'll be -10 anyway

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El Geo
Warcrows
Sedition.
#95 - 2012-03-24 19:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: El Geo
Carrelle Rouppon wrote:
From what I've heard, Empire PvP is docking games, neutral logistics, suicide ganking and unfair war decs. Winning a battle via game mechanics sounds pretty boring to me.

Hopefully it'll "force" the douche bags into null/low-sec.


'pvp' is the same everywhere, fly solo into null and you'll see the nullfags sitting on their und9ocks until they can outnumber you 5 to 1, dont talk wet

gnaw your kb reads like hundreds of other carebears who dont do anything really except whore on mails

stonerphreak most of null go on roams to catch carebears or out number smaller gangs so whats your point?

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Callous Jade
Dockturnal Bromance
#96 - 2012-03-24 19:54:06 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?

You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.



The consequences have always existed, griefers just depend on the fact that cowards, such as yourself, are too apathetic and lazy to take matters into their own hands and would rather petition CCP for "balance."
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#97 - 2012-03-24 19:57:47 UTC
binmen calling people cowards. lmao.

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Mysteriax
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-03-24 20:24:08 UTC
Callous Jade wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?

You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.



The consequences have always existed, griefers just depend on the fact that cowards, such as yourself, are too apathetic and lazy to take matters into their own hands and would rather petition CCP for "balance."



There are no consequences I have proven that in several threads please scum/grievers etc stop posting.
Those threads all died after I posted in it because you couldnt disprove any of my statements.
So stop making new threads where you run away from any normal debate.
Callous Jade
Dockturnal Bromance
#99 - 2012-03-24 20:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Callous Jade
Mysteriax wrote:
Callous Jade wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Seriously, your alliance should consider changing its name to Self Tear Extraction and Reclamation Services.

Why is it that high sec grief players, gankers (preying on the weak) are so afraid of consequences to their actions?

You spout all types of rhetoric (risk, u not safe!, GBWOW), but as soon as some risk to your riskless profession is talked about you flood the forums with tears.



The consequences have always existed, griefers just depend on the fact that cowards, such as yourself, are too apathetic and lazy to take matters into their own hands and would rather petition CCP for "balance."



There are no consequences I have proven that in several threads please scum/grievers etc stop posting.
Those threads all died after I posted in it because you couldnt disprove any of my statements.
So stop making new threads where you run away from any normal debate.



You havent proven anything, except that you are a fool. Hardly surprising coming from a Razor bad.

Facts are facts. There ARE EXISTING MEANS of retribution for the victims, even of suicide ganks, and its not hard if you actually have some intellectual capacity. The 'griefers' have always been able to find ways to make the rules work best for them while the whiny bears like yourself can only complain about it due to lack of adaptability (and spine.)

Things will change and you will still be getting the dicking because they are SMARTER THAN YOU.
Mathias Hex
#100 - 2012-03-25 05:19:16 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
noob basher tears, best tears


I've heard tales of their being a market for said tears. They supposedly have some amazing properties like increased health, calming effects similar to some boosters, and even increase ones libido.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.