Missions & Complexes

Yes give them proper fits with scram/dis on every ship and even Tech3 cruisers.
Not the current **** on missions "Hey look I'm on golem tanking 30 BS's and their friends!'.
Missions must be like mini Incursions.

not sure what kind of answer you want exactly...

In the before time, in the long long ago, there were very few tiers of ships. There were no 3rd tier battleships, there were no tier 2 battlecruisers. There were no capital ships, no POSes, not even any rigs. In those days the mission writers used the tools they had on hand to create all the missions in EVE, all of the NPCs. It was all consistent though because it took officer mods, or fleets of player ships to complete level 4 missions (a lvl 3 with no rigs could be tricky even in a battleship.) New ships were introduced, new modules, more ships. The mission writers saw that missions no longer served the people, but the people were addicted. The mission writers created sleepers, but they didn't attract the same kinds of people who relied on the old out-dated missions. The mission writers created incursions, but the people clung to what was easy. The people cried out "why must things be so easy!" and looked foolish.

Re-writing every single mission would be a waste of time. Removing them altogether would be stupid (without proper preparation, but it probably does deserve an expansion cycle.) Writing missions, according to the mission writers, is actually really really hard work... it's why COSMOS hasn't been touched in 4+ years, and why incursions and sleeper sites are pretty much just a room with guys in it, and why epic arcs have been abandoned.

An upgrade to the mission system could be really compelling, but we've all got other things to worry about.

Moving this one from "EVE General Discussion" and paging someone from the content team to pitch in with some comments.

LOL yeah griefing the rats.




As far as I know our ships have crews also... Just saying, of they never get to leave the ship and are chained to their stations and you don't have to pay them anything or feed them etc.

Replacing one rat model with another is just cut and paste work, like when the new Scorpion model was introduced, not a full rewrite.

what a tweest!

Its so sad its most surely true :)
I mean, come on.... no one in CCP noticed this? Or just dont care at all...

I kinda doubt it. They had years to show us a Rokh or Abaddon & co in a mission, its like they were never implemented in the way of NPC ships.
And always the same ships in same names and same class, some randomizing would go a long way, if next spawn is 6 BC, spawn random BC ships for that faction, add an element of surprise or just to break the monotony of missions.

On the other hand, how many mission does eve have in the first place? Not counting same mission just different faction inside.

I, too, would like to see pirate factions using their own ships in missions, even if this involves upsetting people who rely on EVE Survival to be able to survive missions.

Imagine how much more interesting L4 Gone Berserk would be if the Blood Raiders tackled, neuted and webbed (which is what the Cruor, Ashimmu and Bhaalgorn specialise in) while they wheeled in an Apocalypse or Abaddon to throw the heavy punches?

I'd love to see missions where reinforcements were spawned based on your attack style. Attacking at range? NPCs call in interceptors and snipers. Attacking close up? NPCs call in heavy tackle and close-range assault ships. Don't kill the interceptor before it gets to range? You scored the double trouble of snipers at range and brawlers warping in on top of you!

But I recognise that such missions will be far too hard for people who have only just clawed their way out of L3 missions. Perhaps L3s need to be kicked up a notch too?

Sure, making PvE more interesting is anathema to some people's ideas of how EVE is supposed to work. On the other hand, making PvE more like PvP will encourage more consistent ship fits, and people might be curious about trying their luck against the really hard enemies in low sec.

But in the meantime, I'd like to see the pirate factions in missions refresh their range of ships, and stop using rails on Ravens.

This was what lvl 5/6/7 missions, covering all grounds from high to null, were supposed to be, if you read some of the old dev blogs. Unfortunately, they ended up just throw more rats in the pot for lvl5s. Then moved them to lolzsec. And missions as a category were long since been abandoned. Efforts were put into sleepers, pi, and space barbies. Things that 90% of the player base don't access and don't care about, instead of following the proper mmo path of adding real contents.

Those were the old optimistic days, when there was a purpose and vision of Eve's future. They've since gotten offtracked all over the place. Like children with ADD, following the idea "hey, this would be cool," then quickly abandoning it for something else.