EVE General Discussion

This is why CCP shouldn't listen to you.
You don't even know how long incursions have been out.

lol like I believe the fits they post are always the actual fits in the ship they are flying :) Beggers can't be choosers & usually I'm begging for logi ( except last night when I was forced to have a fleet with 5 logi & 4 DPS because there were no DPS xing up ) all the logi xing up are MINE? MINe! mInE ... MINE mine, MINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINEMINE MINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINEMINE MINE MINE

Nice misquote. I have never posted that text(just did a quick search to double check )

If you are gonna try to discredit someone, at least use the truth.

psst! You can look up what people have edited out if you have the right tools. Google can help ya ;)

And if you are gonna impugn my character, there are many ways to do so that totally do not involve lying about me, I don't care enough about what people think of me to hide unsavory facts about myself.

Just enough that if you think I am scum I want it to be based on the truth, not some ****** who can't figure out who said what.

Just found this one, apologies for anything repeated

Problems with incursions

Availability – low numbers and spawn rates of incursions especially in high sec and/or over weekends leads to both farming and overcrowding:

Farming – Immersion breaking, the thing we need to kill to end this invasion is right over there, so we’ll ignore it for a week to make bank? Causes denial of operation to local inhabitants, who often would like to help out but can’t due to...

Overcrowding - leads to so much competition in the available incursions that shiny fleets are the only way to consistently win competed sites and make isk, this renders incursions inaccessible to newer players who can’t fly said shiny ships, why would a competent FC take a 400dps Harbinger over a 700dps Legion knowing he’s going to be competing for sites with damage done as the measure for success

Predictability – a quick search on Eve Survival/Google gives you all the information you need on the site you're about to run, reducing tactics to avoid the trigger, kill the primary threats (ECM/neuts) then focus fire working your way down the list.

Reward distribution - currently sites requiring the lowest risk/coordination (vanguards) pay the most while the highest risk/coordination sites (HQ) pay least


Proposed solutions:

Availability
Within both high and low sec there are essentially 4 regions, (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar) with 6 in null (Angels, Bloods, Drones, Guristas, Sansha, Serpentis) altering the spawning mechanics such that a new incursion spawns immediately after the mothership of the preceding is destroyed in order to ensure there are a minimum number of active incursions within each level of security, (between 2-4 in each of high and low and 3-6 in null) will remove the justification of keeping the content available for keeping the incursion alive.

Farming:
In concert with the above cut down the ability of people to farm by reducing the incursion timer to between 24 and 48 hours, and add a bonus to CONCORD LP awards to encourage even faster completion.
<75% time: 25%
<50% time: 50%
<25% time: 75%
<12.5% time: 100%

Also change site spawning mechanics based on influence:
25%: Staging sites cease spawning, any not in progress despawn
50%: Vanguard sites cease spawning, any not in progress despawn
75%: Assault sites cease spawning, any not in progress despawn
100%: Mom spawns, HQ sites cease spawning, any not in progress despawn

The overall timer and LP bonuses encourage rapid completion of the incursion, while the influence effect discourages farming, although will require a change to the mechanic so the influence doesn’t change quite so fast. The logic? for the former the idea that you would be rewarded more for allowing an invasion force to remain any longer than it would otherwise take to remove them is crazy, and for the latter Sansha’s would consolidate their defences around their keys installations as their influence waned, this could also allow for more sites of all levels to be distributed throughout the constellation rather than concentrated in set locations.

These changes alone should solve both the overcrowding and farming issues, By having more shorter incursions travel becomes a limiting factor to all but the most hardcore decreasing competition and increasing accessibility for newer players.

Predictability
The recent changes to belt rats show it can be done, rather than have X number of NPC1 and Y number of NPC2 make it so you instead face X+Y number of random (size)NPC

Example: The first wave of the Nation Rebirth Faciliy (HQ)

Current: [Source: Eve Survival]
Wave 1
Battleships
1 x Deltole Tegmentum [neut, paint, scram]
3 x Ostingele Tectum
Cruisers
1 x Mara Paleo [rr]
3 x Romi Thalamus
1 x Uitra Telen
1 x Vylade Dien [command ship] TRIGGER
Frigates
4 x Renyn Meten [web]
2 x Schmaeel Medulla [scram, web]

Change to:
Wave 1
4 x battleship
6 x cruiser (random trigger)
6 x frigate

Under such a system one site may see the players going up against an all-out sniper fleet (Yulai/Antem/Tama) and spawning the second wave with the first cruiser kill, with another group going against a full line up of ECM/neut ships (Otuni/Arnon/Niarja) but not spawning the second wave until killing the last cruiser.

Reward distribution
Change vanguards such that average payouts per hour are reduced to slightly better than lvl4s, this combined with the removal of those sites at 50% influence should make assaults more popular in turn reducing the single biggest time sink (namely [re]assembling the fleet) so the rewards for assaults can be left as is for now but keep the option to adjust either way as necessary in order to keep them between vans and HQs, increase HQ payouts significantly to make them the highest paid per hour to reflect the increased run time, co-ordination and risk associated with them.

Other random ideas:

Make scout sites worthwhile

More sites in general, especially objective based, the True Creations Research Centre (HQ) is a decent example of such.

Follow on to previous, escalations, a (small) random chance at a special encounter (assist the local navy repel an assault at planet Y, help a CONCORD task force break into installation X, or sucklike)

Random (non-scrambling) spawns at stations/gates/belts/planets, maybe with neutral transports, etc. adding to the immersion by expanding the incursion to a system wide conflict.

Some kind of (temporary) penalty for failure to drive out an incursion, nothing as extreme as making highsec into lowsec, but something which will make a noticeable impact for as long as it lasts

More items in the CONCORD LP store

Make more sites for incursions increase respawn rate and move them all to low sec , 0.0 and empire get none .

No you tell me with specific examples. How many? Until I see this I'll assume you are talking out of your arse. You are telling me a jump from 6% to 10% well break Eve when the cost for implants will be 2.5 billion ISK? peeps will know by looking at fits who is in what 'plant & will get INCREDIBLE tears from PODing these 10% 'plants...

..and CCP thought we'd see two, max three titans in the game since they were so expensive and such a logistic nightmare to build..

i dont usually read long posts but yours was interesting and sounds great

+1

(and make incursions available to any constellation inc. mixed sec)

Create an end of the mission recap showing the contribution of each fleet member which is displayed to each fleet member. Send each fleet in the room a report for their fleet, even if another fleet won the contest.

Fleets are really just pickup fleets and not often comprised of people from the same corp. Many fleets will have a core of regular players, but every fleet seems to have good percentage of "unknown quantities" who fail to respond in the fleet voice chat when the FC calls for them, Lag behind or wander off in some random direction outside of the range of logi support, don't deploy their drones from the drone bay, or deploy but don't employ their drones, and some just do not shoot. But they all manage to get paid.

FCs and fellow fleet members need to see the contributions of fleet members beyond visual possibilities. Create a report which shows:

1) total DPS delivered for each pilot and turret type (specify weapon modules and ammo/missile/frequency crystal types)

2) total DPS delivered for each pilot's drones, itemized by drone description

3) total minutes/seconds each pilot webbed sansha ships (specify what webber was used)

4) total min/sec each pilot cap transferred (specify what cap transfer module was used)

5) total min/sec each pilot provided shield transfer (specify what shield transfer module was used)

6) total armor HP each pilot repaired (specify what remote armor repair module was used)

7) total hull HP each pilot repaired (specify what remote hull repair module was used)

Pilots desperate for a fleet will lie, at least some will. I've seen ships show up in the fleet at the rally point only to have the FC point out that he had not extended an invite to anyone who advertised for a fleet position with that ship type, and by looking back in the chat and seeing the the posted fit for that pilot, it was not the ship they showed up in.

FCs are forced to accept applicants who have merely posted a desirous fit they have saved from someone else's chat post or take on the time consuming task of scanning each ship or delegating a trusted subordinate to do the scanning.

People show up in a BS advertised as having T2 turrets but really have medium t1 guns and are not even trained to fit large size turrets. This practice places the entire fleet in jeopard as the FC sets out to hunt Elephants and does not realize he has fleet members armed with BB guns.

Some fleet members just don't shoot to keep from drawing aggro and to save isk on ammo which places the burden on fewer pilots, raises the chance of fleet failure, and extends the length of the mission - but they get paid just as much.

How do I know this? I often have a ship scanner mounted when fleeting with some new fleet members.

Also - the fleet composition in the fleet window needs to show all pilots who are war targets. Many pilots do not disclose this information when asked which leads to finding it out when a logi is warned when attempting to rep while the entire fleet is under fire, thus risking the entire fleet.

How do I know this? I check out pilots I don't recognize when there is enough time while the fleet is forming and we have not gated yet. Checking like that is not always possible.

Thank you.