Crime & Punishment

lmao hisec pvp

People who think that 'stealing a mission item' is somehow different now are either deluding themselves, or simply trying to make a misleading argument that ninjas somehow gain something by this.

At best, the tactic is no different than it is now. (rather ineffective)

Most likely, the carebear will be saved 99% of the time by having his safety condom on.

This was nerfed what, a year ago? 18 months. Its been awhile.
Stealing Mission critical items WAS a good trick when the items would not respawn until DT. (even when they tend to be available on contracts)

Now, they respawn very rapidly and stealing them will not convince anyone to steal anything.

Its so tiresome when people argue about things they've never tried themselves.

When I first started this game I remember taking my first baby steps into pvp with the old drop a can, label it 1v1 technique. Alongside this i would patrol the belts and look for cans and wrecks of people 1 year old or younger (I was 1-3 months at the time). I won some fights, I lost some fights and I developed a rapid love for pvp. This was made possible by a system that let me be selective in the amount of risk/targets i was prepared to engage.

If the only way for me to get a fight in high sec was to become a target to everyone I would never have risked the inevitable ganking in my t1 rifter, would never have realised how fun pvp is and months down the line would never have moved to low sec to take it up on a more permanant basis.

As far as I see, with the stripping of a valid method to gain 1v1s in high sec, solo/rookie pvp will be completely shat on with these changes and things are heading towards a system where you either do nothing or become a target for all.

Of course there are people who abuse aggression mechanics in high sec, but much the same in low and null. Totally nuking the ability to create arranged aggression in a 1v1 rookie friendly way seems totally arse about face if you ever expect a new player to give it a go. FSM knows if pvp hadn't found me when it did (thanks vimsy vortis btw, my first killer, you opened my eyes :p), and hadn't been able to dictate the scale of my aggression (something vital for a rookie learning pvp, can't learn much from being alphad from 10 different directions) there is zero chance I would have continued to sub for a year as lets be honest the pve content is mastered within 3 months and boring within 4 due to its absurdly predictable nature.

As someone who lives in low sec I feel comfortable saying that is NOT the best place to be taking your very first steps, there is a valid reason for limiting the number who can engage you when you are trying to learn the basics using high sec mechanics, but hopefully like me and many others once those basics are learned low/null sec will be an appealing place to move to. Yes some rookies probably leave the game due to some arse griefing them over and over, but how many leave due to the sterile and boring nature of pve eve? At least leave it an option for them to try without being blobbed from every direction.

Too long, not enough coffee? To me this sounds like a terrible idea that wil ruin the new player ability to try out 1v1 or small scale combat without having to throw themselves as meat to the lions, in which case they'll never see the good side of pvp.

Totally agree. But it seems that they don't want that risk. (How unusual)

Just about everyone wants to play with no risk. I have to admit, i'm never keen on getting gang-banged by 6 or 7 myself. (Not without dinner and a movie first at least).

As i read it, i can't see it staying exactly as planned.

I'm sure it will change and still **** off people from both sides. Just like Learning Skills, Incursions and Nerfs/Buffs. It's never enough for some people. And one side is always crying that the other side will have some advantage.

The "ink" has hardly dried on the mere idea of all this. How about we sit back and see how it plays out before we all reach for the next tissue box?

pointing fingers like a pathetic spineless bag of fecal matter.

For those who like to make people's lives miserable - here is the new Ultimate Griefer Tactic for use with the new system:

1) Find a Target who is either running missions or mining.
2) Flip the mission objective or ore from their can to yours, then fly away - but have a cloaked corp-mate come in and sit nearish the can waiting for them to re-flip.
3) Once they steal it back, lock them down, and bring in hordes of corp-mates in scram-fit rookie ships. Guns are NOT required.
4) Let them start mowing down your rookie ships, and even your pods if that is allowed, but make sure you keep at least 1 point on them so they can't fly away.
5) Watch their sec status PLUMMET - until it gets so low that they can no longer legally fly in the system you are in.
6) Continue holding them while the faction navy destroys them.
7) ???????
8) Profit - and there is 1 less carebear allowed to fly in high sec.


PS: Yes, I am pure evil. You are welcome.

When you collect tears it's all good, but when tables turn you whine on forums?

I haven't actually looked at the dev update.....but the OP said you lost sec even if they shot first, which would mean this would work ^.

If that isn't the case, then I have absolutely no clue what everyone is whining about......

Edit: This is the bit I'm talking about, quoted from the OP:

it is you that should learn game mechanics...
one look at your fail killboard proves you are an Eve Simpleton

Its funny, you call the mission runners "carebears" but you actually fit into that category too. The only difference between a carebear and you is that you KNOW how can flipping mechanics work and they don't. You live in highsec, you pick your targets, you lower your risk as much as possible and then you complain when a proposed game change will increase the threat to your play style.

"Oh me gosh" you say "this change will make the entire star system hostile to me". Guess what, a lot of EvE players experience that day in and day out in low/null/w-space, welcome to the jungle.