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[Proposal] Defender Missiles...make them useful.
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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-21 14:21:57 UTC
Hi all,

I was just looking at my skill sheet earlier and I saw the SP I 'wasted' in Defender missiles.

I think nearly everyone would love to just ditch that skill completely and get their SP back as it's one of the most useless skills ever.

However, I was wondering why Defenders are never used?

They were a good idea to provide 'personal' defence (I'm British, that's how you spell defence here, honest!) against missile spamming ships but 99.9% of pilots would rather have an offensive capability on their ship rather than waste high slots for a dubious at best defensive system.

My proposal is instead of having defender missiles only target missiles aimed at you, they be able to destroy any missiles aimed at anyone in your fleet. Think of it as your Patriot anti-missile battery for EVE.

I should also point out this will only work for fleets. It won't work against missiles randomly fired at NPC's/FC's/CCP that aren't in your fleet.

This will actually make Defender missiles worth using on certain ships (Fleet Scorpions? loldps from Cruise so have them be your missile 'shield' instead as well as ECM as an example) and it would also mean there would be absolutely no need to nerf Drakes or Tengus as there would now be a handy counter to missile spamming like there was supposed to be.

Your thoughts/trolls/insults/improvements/apathy?
Macon Chalaise
VNM Biological Survey Corps
#2 - 2012-03-21 23:07:56 UTC
Smiling Menace wrote:
Hi all,

I was just looking at my skill sheet earlier and I saw the SP I 'wasted' in Defender missiles.

I think nearly everyone would love to just ditch that skill completely and get their SP back as it's one of the most useless skills ever.

However, I was wondering why Defenders are never used?

They were a good idea to provide 'personal' defence (I'm British, that's how you spell defence here, honest!) against missile spamming ships but 99.9% of pilots would rather have an offensive capability on their ship rather than waste high slots for a dubious at best defensive system.

My proposal is instead of having defender missiles only target missiles aimed at you, they be able to destroy any missiles aimed at anyone in your fleet. Think of it as your Patriot anti-missile battery for EVE.

I should also point out this will only work for fleets. It won't work against missiles randomly fired at NPC's/FC's/CCP that aren't in your fleet.

This will actually make Defender missiles worth using on certain ships (Fleet Scorpions? loldps from Cruise so have them be your missile 'shield' instead as well as ECM as an example) and it would also mean there would be absolutely no need to nerf Drakes or Tengus as there would now be a handy counter to missile spamming like there was supposed to be.

Your thoughts/trolls/insults/improvements/apathy?


It would be nice if ship defense included point defense hard points with turret and missile forms for missiles and drones, (or that pesky frigate) but then special hard points would likely be needed and ships would need to be significantly re-balanced.


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Eidric
Private Shelter for Mad People
#3 - 2012-03-22 04:27:53 UTC
Macon Chalaise wrote:


It would be nice if ship defense included point defense hard points with turret and missile forms for missiles and drones, (or that pesky frigate) but then special hard points would likely be needed and ships would need to be significantly re-balanced.



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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-22 11:48:07 UTC
They actualy work quite well

The problem is it doesn't realy show in the EFT and that offencive missile launcher does, the trick is not to fit them on missile ships.

you should use them on the gun ships allong with some f.o.f.s and it can be quite a defencive system.
Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#5 - 2012-03-23 05:34:47 UTC
I put them on my Prowlers. :)

They do need some love, though, that's for sure.

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Sir Trent
N i b i r u
#6 - 2012-03-31 14:46:44 UTC
Not really related to defender missiles but another skill that I've not seen used is F-O-F. Correct me if I'm wrong but are they used in any situation? I know they are the only weapon (except smartbombs and drones) that works when jammed but with the lower dps I do not see why anyone would use them.
Rimase
#7 - 2012-03-31 20:20:09 UTC
Strap them onto an T2 Escort Destroyer specialized in Rocketry and Defender missiles.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-04-01 18:29:06 UTC
Sir Trent wrote:
Not really related to defender missiles but another skill that I've not seen used is F-O-F. Correct me if I'm wrong but are they used in any situation? I know they are the only weapon (except smartbombs and drones) that works when jammed but with the lower dps I do not see why anyone would use them.


FoF's don't do much less damage than any other missile type. The problem with them is you can't control what they hit so you tend to find if you have multiple enemies, the damage gets spread out rather than focused.

Still useful if you are jammed by a Falcon at range with a dps ship close to you. FoF's will hit what's closest or largest then work out from there.

Totally useless in missions or complexes as they also target structures that can be destroyed.