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Tracking - DUST vs EVE
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
Fraternity.
#1 - 2012-03-23 00:05:57 UTC
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-03-23 00:08:03 UTC
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink
Shalia Ripper
#3 - 2012-03-23 00:08:32 UTC
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Sig radius on a planet is HUGE.

Sig blah blah blah blah
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-23 00:17:59 UTC
"Large 250mm rail gun missed Large Gas Planet

How the hell did you manage that?"

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#5 - 2012-03-23 00:22:11 UTC
Its probably something along the lines of: every ship in EVE has very basic forms of all the Ewar. Planets however, do not have such defenses.


Yes, I made that up. Its not even that good of a BS idea.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-23 00:24:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour

Hello, hello again.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#7 - 2012-03-23 00:27:05 UTC
Degren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour


Bolded the important part.
Adunh Slavy
#8 - 2012-03-23 00:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
"Large 250mm rail gun missed Large Gas Planet

How the hell did you manage that?"



Niborg

On a more serious note, it would probably be more efficent to make something shaped like a telephone pole made of iron, depleted uranium, etc, and just drop it from altitude. It'll make a nice big hole in the ground.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-23 00:28:58 UTC
In before special orbital bombardment guns
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#10 - 2012-03-23 00:30:04 UTC
Degren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour


so approx 500m/sec then?
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#11 - 2012-03-23 00:31:17 UTC
Degren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour

Not according to EVE funsics they don't. P

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-23 00:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Degren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour


Bolded the important part.


Should I correct you, or do I not care?


...

...

Alright, **** it. Grid systems are in place on a planet. The planet still rotates.

The grid moves.

The only way a "fixed grid" works in the manner you think it does, is if the ship rotates along the same axis around the planet at the same relative speed (greater distance would mean higher speed needed to rotate around the axis in "parallel") ...OR, they would base it off calculations that say hey, grid 41MRQ38802218 is coming up at you in about 10 seconds, get ready to shoot at it.

OR, the most plausible, Grid 41MQR3888228282 is going to have the important bit of land under it in ten seconds. Probably the easiest in terms of just point and shoot, but timing would be more important

Either way, it or the planet is moving, and calculations would have to be made

Have a nice day.

Hello, hello again.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-23 00:32:34 UTC
GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:
Degren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour


so approx 500m/sec then?


Yeah, well under tracking speed, i wasn't really being sarcastic in response to him, just snidely agreeing with him. I pretty much love Baltec's posts.

Hello, hello again.
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-23 00:33:11 UTC
Degren wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
5n4keyes wrote:
So... I cant track a ship 3000m off me, but I can target a precise point on a planet 200,000km away... NERF THEM GUNS Lol


Fixed grid references don't tend to move very fastBlink


Just a few thousand miles an hour


You clearly haven't seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn6DM3ZNfSA
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#15 - 2012-03-23 00:33:22 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
In before special orbital bombardment guns

Judging by the demo, its normal guns with a special module called 'orbital bombardment computer' or something similar.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2012-03-23 00:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Degren wrote:


Alright, **** it. Grid systems are in place on a planet. The planet still rotates.

The grid moves.

The only way a "fixed grid" works in the manner you think it does, is if the ship rotates along the same axis around the planet at the same relative speed (greater distance would mean higher speed needed to rotate around the axis in "parallel") ...OR, they would base it off calculations that say hey, grid 41MRQ38802218 is coming up at you in about 10 seconds, get ready to shoot at it.

Either way, it's moving.

Have a nice day.


So if the planet is earth size you can orbit at a distance of 35,786 km and reduce the tracking to zero.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-23 00:37:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Degren wrote:


Alright, **** it. Grid systems are in place on a planet. The planet still rotates.

The grid moves.

The only way a "fixed grid" works in the manner you think it does, is if the ship rotates along the same axis around the planet at the same relative speed (greater distance would mean higher speed needed to rotate around the axis in "parallel") ...OR, they would base it off calculations that say hey, grid 41MRQ38802218 is coming up at you in about 10 seconds, get ready to shoot at it.

Either way, it's moving.

Have a nice day.


So if the planet is earth size you can orbit at a distance of 35,786 km and reduce the tracking to zero.


hahahahaha

Hello, hello again.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-03-23 00:38:28 UTC
Degren wrote:


hahahahaha


I know right? Thats Blaster range!
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-03-23 00:40:33 UTC
Ships have built in electronic warfare active at all times and this heavily skews with hostile inbound fire.

Planets do not.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-03-23 00:40:48 UTC
planets orbit and spin in perfectly predictable manner. ships do not.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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