Warfare & Tactics

Figures, I quit hanging out around Tama for a couple of months and something supposedly interesting happens.

With the amount of asthonishment a lot of 50+ mil sp nullsec pilots have when they finnally give FW a shot about how many constant fights they can get, i'm fairly certain its the "elitist" nullsec crowd trying all they can to bash on FW threads in an attempt to make their sh*thole look appealing. Even with all the whining FW players do there's a good reason why they're still in FW and not playing pawn in nullsec. The pvp starved nullsec players (bashing towers with no opposition is not pvp, very few alliances are actually about "pvp" and not sov warfare) finally get some action in lowsec when they make the transition to FW.

that's another thing altogether. That's "strategy" and no matter how much people can define it gay or cowardish, that's what it is. It's a way to fight(or to avoid fighting). Clearly, there's more "honor" in a fair fight than in a blob, but it's all combat tactics.

I refuse to feel astonished at the fleet comp the caldari undocked. If you think about it, why would you choose to undock something as close to the adversary's ship types and numbers as possible when you have something much stronger ready? Some people like to do it, like the challenge and whatever, most people prefer annihilating the enemy with the least losses possible simply by using a larger/stronger force. But, what's the problem in that?

That's why the whining by squids in heydieles, and the whining of gallenteans in enaluri(which, in all honesty, I almost never saw, even though people like to feel angry about the number of ecm boats fielded by the caldari), is pretty much pointless.

On our side, we all want the kills and will all go for squids in our full numbers, its not like we'll filter out people from fleets because otherwise we'll have more than the enemy, and although caldarians whine a lot about it, thats what they do too.

On the caldari side, using ecm boats is a tactic. Placing them off field to have them avoid taking fire is a tactic. There is nothing bad about it, even though we could all agree on the fact that not being able to target someone in a fight is unnerving.



while I'm not sure the null sec people try to bash fw(even though I saw people do it), i definitely agree with the rest of the post.
Personally we can take corps like Shadows Of The Federation, Percussive Diplomacy and Colonial Marines EVE Division as examples. Good corps with good people and skilled pilots which left for null sec and then after some time came back, preferring faction warfare over the null sec life.

Today one of the "elite gallente solo pvp'ers" wanted to take a plex. So he engages a hookbill in his dramiel. Lo behold, into local comes his (caldari militia spy alt) loki booster and dramiel wins because of that.

So we go chase out the dramiel with dramiel and hookbill. Dramiel flees, obviously. We reinforce plex with griffin and another hookbill, killing one pirate hawk with my hookbill while going to plex.

Timer counts down, then three thrashers (led by no-risk dramiel pilot who left his expensive crap home) enter local boosted by said loki. Thrashers come and engage our frigates. And promptly get slaughtered without being able to even scratch through anyones shields.

Gallentes say we are "blobbing noobs" despite us having frigates vs destroyers and they having a loki booster we cannot touch. And only reason why we won was because of ecm griffin which makes us even more noobish (in their opinion.

They also complain about npc presence which the original dramiel triggered there and didnt bother clearing because he is content to capture plexes without pulling said npc aggro due to his high caldari standing.

This is fairly typical example of average gallente players mindset. Just so you know.

agree.

I disagree completely. Also, thrashers are very vulnerable to jammers, so its obvious you would've won.
And that's not at all the usual mindset.

You have some big problems man.

Also, we dont consider ecm noobiness incarnate.
I will be posting battlereports in this channel, I think, because words vs words can last forever. Words vs proof usually cannot.

By the way you regularly blob gallenteans in plexes. And we still fight.

Of course, I could go get exceptions all day too.

Learn to count I suggest: 3 x thrashers + tengu booster with warfare links vs dramiel, hookbill x 2 and griffin. Try as I might I cannot turn 4 into 8 (or 6, however you want to interpret it) or you implying that because there was friendly taranis in system (and unable to enter plex) we had 5?

Perhaps you ought to kill the npcs instead of relying on standings-tanking them? And as for coward bit....you bring dramiel and links vs a lone hookbill and dare to call someone else a coward and lame. if you rely on such tactics, why should anyone even consider giving you any kind of fight, much less a fair one.

As I said, you are quite typical example of gallente players mindset. You also conviniently forget from the two frigate affair that your plan was to gank the thrasher and then just flee. We didnt plan on letting you have that fun and we had a massive laugh when you brought stabber fleet issue to help you, we ganked it for no losses and you ran back home with your tengu links.

You also had at least ishkur nearby to lend you a hand so dont moan about blobbing when your initial plan of "lets form a massive blob to gank Damar's Gila" failed miserably.

Blah blah blah. Almost everyone blobs given the chance. We're certainly not above it. Claiming otherwise is pretty funny. Especially if you're in FW.

Scarred, your points make sense in the context that everyone joined FW for the sole purpose of beating the other side. While I have no doubt some people only care about winning, I believe that the majority of people in FW are in it for the fun fights.

I can't tell you how many times we would try to rally a fleet to go against a roaming squid fleet, say BC size. There's always a couple people who undock BS's or ECM, and we'll have to tell them to put it away because we'll never get a good fight with them.

Problem with the squids is that most of them can't seem to make up their mind about what they prefer. The claim to be looking for good fights, but they never engage voluntarily without an overwhelming advantage.

Case in point, not 15 minutes ago we camped them out of their home system. They out numbered us 2-1, but they didn't jump in, not even to save a couple of their guys who jumped into our camp pre-emptively. They danced around, calling for reinforcements, only jumping in when they had this. Things of note: Squids had enough ECM to jam our entire fleet twice. We didn't have the Tengus and Drakes, we brought those out after, as you can see by the duplicate pilot names (there is only one duplicate name on the Caldari side).