Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I personally feel that the torpedo bonus for the cnr should be removed, and make it specifically a cruise missile boat, then give it whatever bonuses it needs for that role.

Then, take the golem and make it specifically a torp boat, removing any cruise missile bonuses it has, and instead of giving any hit point bonuses, it should get a bonus towards range with torps. I would like to see them not needing a range rig at all to hit 65km at max skills, but i'm willing to accept the requirement of one t1 range rig in order to do so.

As far as using the rigor rigs, personally, you have rockets, assault missiles, heavy assault missiles, and torpedoes. I'd personally like to see rigor rigs made specifically for unguided missiles.

@ Geister
For the Torpedoes getting the structure bonus with the Cruise, I'm not really sure if CCP will do a weapon specific bonus like that... Besides, with or without, it wont really make any difference on the Torps. So you think 35% bonus would be better? I really didn't know how much of a bonus the missiles would need. But I guess 35% makes more sense XD I'll update the change list I've got together...

The Golem should shine with Torpedoes. But at a limited range. This is the way all Marauders work. Pulse vs Beams, Blasters vs Rails. Vargur is gayed atm with being forced to use AC's. Which is one of the fixes I've listed for the Vargur. The stupid thing needs 2 fitting mods just to fit 1200mm arties, you can forget trying to fit 1400mm's. The Golem should be able to use both cruise and torps without having to make any compromises besides range and damage. Removing choice is a step backwards.

Rockets, Assaults and Torpedoes are all unguided missiles, but they are guided anyway. This doesn't really make much sense. But I think it's meant for balancing. This probably needs left alone, it may break balancing if changed. They just need their explosion velocity upped a little bit to hit moving targets better.

@ Joe
I'm against the ewar immunity. PvP or PvE. I think it would make them a bit OP in missions for one. And with the changes suggested so far, immunity isn't needed. You just fit the relevant mods to counter your mission rats' ewar. Once the ships are buffed, these mods will do their job boosting rather than just filling the hole they already have.

And I am still very much against exchanging rep bonuses for resistance bonuses. Again, with the listed buffs, this is completely unnecessary. Marauders don't need all of their resists buffed, just some of their holes. Some have larger ones than others... (Kronos's explosives hole, Golem's EM hole). I don't think you really understand what I said before. You get rid of this bonus and you WILL be fitting a module to do the bonus's job instead... Keeping their resists down where they're at also keeps them balanced pvp wise vs faction bs's.

Also, NO other ship in the game (that I can think of...) has bonuses specifically for one tier of weapons. Forcing the CNR into cruise only and Golem into torps only is a step backwards. And again, torps don't need a range bonus. It's part of the sacrifice for their massive damage. This is the way all guns/ammo works.

Golem doesn't need a 5% rof bonus. It's dps is just fine



Marauders don't need their damage increased. They're just fine with the damage they have, and with the Kronos getting the ability to field a fleet of 5 heavies/sentries, then it doesn't need the damage buff either.


Apart from that, I realize that you're just trying to balance these ships to be more efficient, but like I keep saying, not only can Marauders become the best pve ships, but they can also become much more viable at different form of pve other than just lvl 4's if you give them npc ewar immunity.
I know I keep mentioning it, and I know you're against it, but I look at it this way.

With NPC ewar immunity

Kronos

maybe still a buff to exp resistance?

Increase bw and drone bay

Reduce web effectiveness bonus in exchange for both range and effectiveness

Paladin

Probably still need pg buff

Maybe still exp resist buff?

Reduce web effect bonus in exchange for range and strength

Cap buff?

Vargur

Probably still some PG

maybe em resist buff?

Give 10% target painter buff

Golem

maybe em resist buff?

buff target painter bonus to 10%

All Marauder Changes

Buff tractors from 100% to 150%

Give 25% salvager buff

So now the changes will have as little effect on pvp as possible.

While you may not agree that these ships should be gimped in pvp, I feel as though if CCP wanted them being used in pvp, they would have done so already.
Also, while you may not agree, I am very fearful that CCP will gimp these ships in pve if they're attempting to balance them to be used in pvp as well.

I say leave Marauders purely as pve boats, but do what you have to in order to make them the masters of pve.

If you feel it necessary for CCP to have a pure dps t2 battleship for pvp, then perhaps you should start a new thread suggesting they create one.
The overall goal of this thread as been to make Marauders better at what they're supposed to do, not make them better at other things you would like them to do.

Well, at least we can agree that CCP isn't gonna get anything done with marauders any time soon.
hell, they haven't even posted on this thread and its been gong for a while. Shows how much CCP really cares about what the player base thinks I suppose.....

That'd be nice XD

Too complicated IMO. As previously stated fal off for Kronos and optimal for Pali straight up. Though for some this would be a nerf...

ok,.. that bonus sytem for cruise and torps for the golem does look a bit much. But it just shows you the dire need of a buff to the golem
I've been thinking this over and came up with this idea

Give the golem a marauder bonus percentage per level to torp speed and/or torp flighttime
Give a double tructure hitpoints to torps for torpedo specialization skill lvl4 and triple for lvl5

The second bonus system could be applied to all missile types, while keeping their base tructure hitpoints at 70
This way we'll have a even better reason to train the ''missile''-specialization skill to lvl5

Jesus f'ing christ people...

"buff torp range for Golem..."
No. Golem should NOT be a f***ing torp only boat. It's a goddamn missile boat. You want that high damage? You deal with the range compromise. That's it. End of story. This applies to torps, blasters, pulses, and autocannons. Quit being stupid.

Paladin is the only ship that could use a tracking bonus, since it's the only (turret) ship that doesn't have one. Vargur and Kronos are fine. You want long range? Use beams.

I have faction ships and marauders. The gap between my Nightmare and my Paladin is close. Paladin has a bit less tracking and a little less range, but it's not THAT damn bad. Two of MY Paladins would wipe the floor with a Nightmare.

I'm beginning to realize some of you just don't know what you're doing and are blaming the ships for it.

I swear a lot, doesn't mean I'm upset...

With no other changes to consider, that may be okay. But think about this:
Say we give the Paladin a tracking bonus to go with the rest of the ships. Now factor in the other suggestions I've got in that list. With the cap changes and all, you could actually make use of the web bonus and fit a web. If not a tracking bonus, then let the hull's bonus carry over like it did with the other race's marauders. That would make the Paladin inherit the range bonus the Apoc has.

Also, web works great in Merc missions.

The problem with that is you're making is much more versatile with this bonus than the other Marauders.