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Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#21 - 2011-09-24 07:02:31 UTC
grimpak wrote:
why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.


do tell when was the last time since that happened.


Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie

mkint
#22 - 2011-09-24 07:08:42 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
grimpak wrote:
why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.


do tell when was the last time since that happened.


Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?

*still waiting for the dev blog and/or patch that really demonstrates a real change in CCP, not just more market-speak*

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2011-09-24 07:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Swooshie wrote:
grimpak wrote:
why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.


do tell when was the last time since that happened.


Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?



it has been over two years since Apocrypha. we talked, we waited, we talked more and waited more, yet :excellence: and :quality: didn't happened. all that happened was :18months:, half-assed WiS, and barely no content since then (incursions wasn't bad, content wise, but it could be much better). Population got tired of waiting and so we had the jita riots.

so yeah, bashing might not work, but then again, we exhausted everything else, so bashing it is.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-09-24 07:14:08 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
grimpak wrote:
why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.


do tell when was the last time since that happened.


Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?


How about:

When you turn around and the yielded opponent stabs you in the back.

?
Officer Spawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2011-09-24 07:25:58 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
The bashing will continue until morale is improved.

I'd prefer you name one instance in history where repeated negativity has boosted morale?

A good FC outgunned and outnumbered will laugh and say it's a good day to die as he calls primary and locks.

A bad FC outgunned and outnumbered will explain that he won't risk ships because of lag, gate antics, station docking, cost, lack of ships, bad overview ad nauseum as he warps away.

I know who I'd fight for. You?


I'm trying to imagine CCP running a fleet, it would never undock and just listen to the FC predicting a totally awesome fight in 18 months.
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#26 - 2011-09-24 07:42:01 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Swooshie wrote:
grimpak wrote:
why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.


do tell when was the last time since that happened.


Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?



it has been over two years since Apocrypha. we talked, we waited, we talked more and waited more, yet :excellence: and :quality: didn't happened. all that happened was :18months:, half-assed WiS, and barely no content since then (incursions wasn't bad, content wise, but it could be much better). Population got tired of waiting and so we had the jita riots.

so yeah, bashing might not work, but then again, we exhausted everything else, so bashing it is.


Don't get me wrong I support every manifestation, riot and pressure means that the community has made usage of up to now. I just say that now is the time to observe and judge. Effective means have a time to be applied and a time to be interrupted.


Pr1ncess Alia wrote:


How about:

When you turn around and the yielded opponent stabs you in the back.

?


Yes, they are out to get you....

/me creeps away, slowly

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-09-24 07:44:56 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
Don't get me wrong I support every manifestation, riot and pressure means that the community has made usage of up to now. I just say that now is the time to observe and judge. Effective means have a time to be applied and a time to be interrupted.




and I totally agree with that. that's why I'm in my "wait and see" mode to see how it goes. Winter expansion is the time limit.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#28 - 2011-09-24 07:50:06 UTC
Yes, I think it will be the limit for a good amount of players. I'm in the same boat and I will wait 'till then. If by then the game is still in this state then I will assume that it is condemned.

I usually don't go out of my way and defend corporations like that but... when I see that devblog talking about "defining moment" and "defining history" something akin to "make or break" comes to my mind.

I like EVE, I hope it's going to "make it"

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie

The Apostle
Doomheim
#29 - 2011-09-24 07:53:48 UTC
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And coincidentally, played right into the hands of certain RMTing members of the CSM...

Intel or it never happened.

Quote:
and I totally agree with that. that's why I'm in my "wait and see" mode to see how it goes. Winter expansion is the time limit.

Now here's a thing. Can the winter expansion contain massive new content? Has CCP got time?

CCP been backed into a corner to "fix this, fix that, gimme this, gimme that" and the release will probably be no more than an acquiecence to the demands placed upon them by the slap CCP brigade....

New content? Maybe. Fixed content? Probably.

Will you settle for the latter?

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]

Julia Reeve
The Tina Turner Fanclub
#30 - 2011-09-24 08:23:42 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
mkint wrote:
2 1/2 years since the last GOOD expansion? 2 1/2 years of CCP stupidity without so much as admitting they might be doing something stupid? I think we deserve 2 1/2 more years of apologies, 2 1/2 years of fixing the stupidity that was created in that time. That we've earned 2 1/2 years of bashing. So, no, I won't stop because of yet more *words*.


oy! oyyy, OOOY!!!
I loved Incursion expansion to be frank...


Hell yeah and WiS will be awsome too. Keep at it ccp!! Just dont forget FiS... lolz, what am I sayin, Dust is comin and thats for us. Give em time people

-------- Walking Sux --------

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-09-24 09:32:44 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
and I totally agree with that. that's why I'm in my "wait and see" mode to see how it goes. Winter expansion is the time limit.

Now here's a thing. Can the winter expansion contain massive new content? Has CCP got time?

CCP been backed into a corner to "fix this, fix that, gimme this, gimme that" and the release will probably be no more than an acquiecence to the demands placed upon them by the slap CCP brigade....

New content? Maybe. Fixed content? Probably.

Will you settle for the latter?


properly fixed content yes.

then again, "properly fixed" can be subjective.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

D Liver
#32 - 2011-09-24 09:51:26 UTC
well a lot of these ppl have no lives

i fully support the constructive ones tho
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#33 - 2011-09-24 09:59:24 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I for one am sick and tired of the CCP bashing. I am also starting to feel that the CSM is a worthless waste of time and should be abolished.


Especially after coming to the "table" with a few blogs that are just a bit off the window of time when they SHOULD'VE come out. Not that I ever agreed with CCP bashing, but when CCP admits to making mistakes and then pulls all of this awesome out of their hats, the first thing the CSM does is come to the forums with some blog posts about things from four months ago?

What?

Again, I didn't vote for any of these people. I would pay a healthy amount of ISK just to make sure Mittens never gets another seat. In fact, I would be interested in running against him.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2011-09-24 10:09:03 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
grimpak wrote:
why the CCP bashing? well some people just want an expansion with some quality.


do tell when was the last time since that happened.


Do tell when bashing an opponent who yielded made you more of a winner?



Do tell when saying "we've been through a period of introspection" equates to new resources actually being committed or new content actually being delivered.

We've seen this "yielding" before, and it yielded very little tangile end result.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2011-09-24 10:14:13 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
I for one am sick and tired of the CCP bashing. I am also starting to feel that the CSM is a worthless waste of time and should be abolished.


Especially after coming to the "table" with a few blogs that are just a bit off the window of time when they SHOULD'VE come out. Not that I ever agreed with CCP bashing, but when CCP admits to making mistakes and then pulls all of this awesome out of their hats, the first thing the CSM does is come to the forums with some blog posts about things from four months ago?

What?

Again, I didn't vote for any of these people. I would pay a healthy amount of ISK just to make sure Mittens never gets another seat. In fact, I would be interested in running against him.



Incidentally I'm still waiting for you to tell me about those two awesome things that CCP have actually released to TQ since Incarna

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#36 - 2011-09-24 11:36:58 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
This "I want actions, not words" antic is getting silly. When you get a corporation to admit a refocus publicly, you know something will happen. Lay down the weapons and take a breather already boys!

We all got the point, we know you, mighty forums warriors, will run to the front again if nothing comes out of it. Your might and virility has been established.

Chill down. Wait.



what exactly are they refocusing on? cos that blog dosnt say.

after years of misplaced faith in ccp, i have none left for them

OMG when can i get a pic here

Yasumoto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-09-24 17:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Yasumoto
Mr M wrote:
There's a difference between constructive criticism and comparing people with HIV positive peadophiles. Quite a big one.

Ah, somebody understood what I was trying to do there. That was indeed an extreme example. Pirate

Constructive criticism and reasonable language have both been used extensively in these forums if people bother to read the voluminous feedback and issues threads. We have written lucid posts that detail bugs and game play issues. We have written reasonable posts asking why certain game design decisions have been put into place. CCP has made the choice to not continue a dialog regarding various issues.

Is there any question why EVE service subscribers are irrate or utilize off-the-wall language to illustrate the absurdity of the situation that CCP has created?
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#38 - 2011-09-24 20:13:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Do tell when saying "we've been through a period of introspection" equates to new resources actually being committed or new content actually being delivered.

We've seen this "yielding" before, and it yielded very little tangile end result.


It doesn't equates to anything and they can still do or not do anything. My point is that since there is nothing else to do now to ensure that, it might be a good time to concentrate a bit less on bashing and a bit more on constructiveness.

Smoking Blunt wrote:
what exactly are they refocusing on? cos that blog dosnt say.

after years of misplaced faith in ccp, i have none left for them


I don't know what they are refocusing on. I just know they came forward and announced that because they must have seen that somehow the consequences of not doing anything were bad. What do you think is going to secure actions from CCP right now? Our bashing or the prospect that if they don't get back on the right path that game is going down?

"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say."     -Swooshie

Information Agent
Apparently Miners
#39 - 2011-09-24 20:43:26 UTC
Swooshie wrote:
It doesn't equates to anything and they can still do or not do anything. My point is that since there is nothing else to do now to ensure that, it might be a good time to concentrate a bit less on bashing and a bit more on constructiveness.


For what its worth, I kinda agree with this sentiment. Not saying the whip needs to be put away, but maybe some balance is needed. Maybe since using the 'stick' pushed things along in terms of communication, maybe using a few carrots can help with the moral of the devs who do actually work hard to make the game better for us all. I heard a good number of them were of the same mindset as the 'angry' section of the playerbase when incarna plopped out.

I'll start with what I consider a 'carrot'.
If, and only if the winter expansion turns out some decent fixes and generally makes EvE an improved game experience for all, I'll resub one of my chars.

Obviously, if the winter thing turns into another 'incarna' then I'll get my stick back out by walking my last remaining sub out of the 'door' regardless of its status as a non-functioning object and never to return again. I'd like for the winter 'patch/expansion' to be great though, I miss my two other acc's and would like a good reason to resub them. Twisted

Could all go to crap though, BF3 is nearing release and I've always had a soft spot for 'nade spamming. Oops
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-09-24 20:48:12 UTC
MollyPuss wrote:
O.k you guys just wanted to say thanks to my fellow eve players that have made so many brilliant points on the forums and interwebs, I've really enjoyed reading posts that have put arguments forward with so much thought and effort to improve our beloved game, most of those made in much more concise, intelligent and detailed way than I ever could (or maybe i'm just lazy),

CCP has taken a kicking from the player base, I think there has been enough analysis done into how, where and why we are mildly annoyed to out right enraged with certain area's of game play or the lack of etc etc . Personally I'm going to cut CCP a little slack now, Hope you CCP guys pull the rabbit out of the hat. Group hug! I think all of us everyone! just want this game to be amazing and that unites us all. I've got 7 years invested myself. I've stayed that long because i'\ve always had hope in what eve could be.

Just, a not normally very vocal player putting in my 2 penneth.

Cheers Big smile


Yup, I agree. It was necessary to bash for a while.

Now is the time not to bash.

However, if we don't see action from CCP like they've outlined, and this has turned out just to be another kind of expectation management exercise, bashing will recommence forthwith.
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