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Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#1 - 2011-09-23 16:02:09 UTC
Greetings mission runners o7

I was looking for some input in regards to agents and their mission offering pool. I've seen some people say (and I also believe from personal experience) that declining a mission from a particular agent will make that agent less likely to offer you that mission.

What are your thoughts/opinions on the subject, or has there been any research done on the matter?

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Orlacc
#2 - 2011-09-23 16:14:24 UTC
My one toon has done hundreds of missions for two particular agents. They still keep offering faction missions which I always decline. So there seems to be no "learning" on their part.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Goose99
#3 - 2011-09-23 16:43:58 UTC
They imagined it. That would imply CCP made some change that benefits you, as opposed to finding new ways every day to screw the carebear.Bear
Spineker
#4 - 2011-09-23 16:50:32 UTC
I have declined a mission and got it right after I finished my next mission. Think it was that annoying Sansha mission in Caldri can't remember the mission name yeah I have had that happen more than once several times actually.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#5 - 2011-09-23 17:10:35 UTC
Thanks for the feedback. From my experience, my agents (the ones I run for regularly) rarely if ever offer me factions anymore, whereas when I first moved to said hub, I would have to decline sometimes several times in one day. I can now do several days of missions before having to decline any. Perhaps I simply got agents with a smaller faction pool, but it seems that there isn't any hard evidence to support declines affecting the offering pool.

I would still like to test it, so I supposed I'll find an agent I haven't ran with before and start getting some real data.

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Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#6 - 2011-09-23 17:12:50 UTC
Stop doing missions.

Get back to exploration.
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#7 - 2011-09-23 17:16:20 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Stop doing missions.

Get back to exploration.


Lol

Soon as the tengu's ready to go, approx 3 weeks of training, probably an extra for t2 missiles. Need something to occupy my time until then, getting tired of the proteus.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-09-24 05:38:03 UTC
Kilrayn wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. From my experience, my agents (the ones I run for regularly) rarely if ever offer me factions anymore, whereas when I first moved to said hub, I would have to decline sometimes several times in one day. I can now do several days of missions before having to decline any. Perhaps I simply got agents with a smaller faction pool, but it seems that there isn't any hard evidence to support declines affecting the offering pool.

I would still like to test it, so I supposed I'll find an agent I haven't ran with before and start getting some real data.


My experience is the same, especially after building up high Agent standing. What are your current negative Faction standings?

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Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#9 - 2011-09-24 05:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kilrayn
Currently, my only pure negative faction standing is with Caldari State, -0.44, Amarr is +0.01 and both Gal/Min are over +1.

Edit: With social skills, all are positive.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-24 09:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Since Factions, Corporations and Agents all look at modified standings of the character, that might explain it.

I also have positive standings with all Empire Factions. It seems either the positive or the negative Faction standings listed in the character sheet might effect the base pool of random missions being offered.

After gaining high Agent standing, that Agent will offer more of the type of missions that have been previously accepted and completed.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2011-09-24 17:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kilrayn wrote:
Greetings mission runners o7

I was looking for some input in regards to agents and their mission offering pool. I've seen some people say (and I also believe from personal experience) that declining a mission from a particular agent will make that agent less likely to offer you that mission.

What are your thoughts/opinions on the subject, or has there been any research done on the matter?
No research has been done on the matter, and any claim as to what affects what missions you get is pure conjecture, hearsay and/or anecdotal.

As far as anyone knows, it's random. Each agent has a pool of missions that he can offer, and the mission is picked randomly from that pool. People like to see patterns because that's what that big lump of pattern-recognition goo called the human brain automatically does when faced with randomness. The only pattern-like behaviour is that some missions automatically chain with each other (most spectacularly with missions such as Driving a Wedge).

My anecdotal evidence is that it is just that: random. There are no frills, no special cases, and no amount of chicken-waving will change, affect or influence what the agent offers you. The agents I use these days offer the exact same missions they did when I used them 3 years ago, and I still have to reject the ones I don't want as often now as I did back then.
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
#12 - 2011-09-24 23:37:19 UTC
I seem to remember that they changed mission offers so that they wouldn't offer you the same mission more than twice in a row or something, but don't quote me on that.

Other than that, I personally believe that mission offers are somewhat related to your agent standing. I have noticed more than once that when my standing gets too high I start getting more high level missions like Angel Extravaganza and Buzz Kill that aren't so good for blizing. Then I decline an extra mission or two to knock down personal standing a little bit and start getting better blitz missions.