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Cloaking should have a manual cycle or be cap intensive
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Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#101 - 2012-03-18 16:22:58 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Torothin wrote:
AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.


Several thoughts:

1.) If stats meant anything, I would tell your noob-ass to STFU and sit in a corner, and you'd have to obey... You don't have to be some L33t PvPer to understand the issues being discussed in this thread.

2.) Speaking of issues, your main post does NOT coherently provide any discussion on why cloaking is a problem. In it, you complain that AFK cloakers are periodically decloaking and attacking mining vessels and/or their jetcans. If you really think you have a leg to stand on, you need to:

  1. Show you understand what cloaking brings to the game....(which you don't seem to grasp).
  2. Explain how the current implementations of the cloak create a problem that can't be reasonably dealt with using current game mechanis (which you have yet to do).
  3. Explain how your suggestion will improve cloaks to limit any problems while simultaneously retaining the vital abilities of a cloak. (Hint, the ability to safely hide, and the ability to counter the local chat intel tool are vital roles of cloaks).


You fail to communicate this info, let alone show you understand it. Until then, you'll be summarily dismissed as a whiny player that doesn't know how to deal with the insecurities of non-high-sec space...


Again if industry and ratting can be disrupted while being afk while industry and ratting cannot happen while being afk(within game mechanics). Then you should not be able to disrupt industry and ratting while afk. That is my argument. AFK Cloaking is still a flawed mechanic and none of you have provided any logical explanation as to why it should not be fixed.

Even the guy who stays cloaked with his Orca. What is preventing you from activating a manual cycle every 30 mins? My argument is sound.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#102 - 2012-03-18 17:06:35 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Torothin wrote:
AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.


Several thoughts:

1.) If stats meant anything, I would tell your noob-ass to STFU and sit in a corner, and you'd have to obey... You don't have to be some L33t PvPer to understand the issues being discussed in this thread.

2.) Speaking of issues, your main post does NOT coherently provide any discussion on why cloaking is a problem. In it, you complain that AFK cloakers are periodically decloaking and attacking mining vessels and/or their jetcans. If you really think you have a leg to stand on, you need to:

  1. Show you understand what cloaking brings to the game....(which you don't seem to grasp).
  2. Explain how the current implementations of the cloak create a problem that can't be reasonably dealt with using current game mechanis (which you have yet to do).
  3. Explain how your suggestion will improve cloaks to limit any problems while simultaneously retaining the vital abilities of a cloak. (Hint, the ability to safely hide, and the ability to counter the local chat intel tool are vital roles of cloaks).


You fail to communicate this info, let alone show you understand it. Until then, you'll be summarily dismissed as a whiny player that doesn't know how to deal with the insecurities of non-high-sec space...


Again if industry and ratting can be disrupted while being afk while industry and ratting cannot happen while being afk(within game mechanics). Then you should not be able to disrupt industry and ratting while afk. That is my argument. AFK Cloaking is still a flawed mechanic and none of you have provided any logical explanation as to why it should not be fixed.

Even the guy who stays cloaked with his Orca. What is preventing you from activating a manual cycle every 30 mins? My argument is sound.


No, your argument is not sound - several people have already spelled it out for you, and you're still thick as a ******* brick.

The only one allowing the cloaker, AFK or otherwise, to disrupt your operations is...wait for it...wait for it...wait for it...YOU.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-03-19 16:31:57 UTC
is he there or isnt he?

im not sure, but just to be safe, im not going to log in for a week

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
YUMAD BRO
ZZ Cow
#104 - 2012-03-22 05:45:24 UTC
Hey OP....


Maybe you should go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure, I'm sure your Char is still there.



Cry moar you fnkn nub ...


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAA, why you no lets me mine in peace? Why you sit here in you ship and no do anything?





lolololol Tard
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#105 - 2012-03-22 07:23:21 UTC
Xorv wrote:
Torothin the flawed mechanic is Local Chat Intel, without which the whole AFK cloaker "issue" vanishes. You said earlier you were in favor of removing Local, so why not make a new thread about that instead of shaming yourself further by extending the life of this one with further posts about how AFK people bother you.


Removing local is a huge boost to cloakers.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#106 - 2012-03-22 07:28:33 UTC
Tarsas Phage wrote:
Torothin wrote:

Submarines do not go unmanned where nobody is controlling it thus making this point a bad example. AFK cloakers is a flawed ingame mechanic and should be removed.


Almost every person is told when they're a child that if you're going out, have at least 1 friend with you. You know, the good old-fashioned Buddy System. In this case, that buddy can be a combat ship or two.

If you want to solo mine in peace, go squirrel yourself away in some corner of derelik or kador because what you want to do and what you should do don't square up for 0.0 life.

/T


Do not please misjudge me I haven't mined since 2005 and I havent lotered around 0.0 belts since 2006 but still this kind of argument makes coffee go through my nose...
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#107 - 2012-03-22 07:31:19 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Zig-zag fly around in ur system till you uncloak the AFK cloaked, BM, get propper ship to blow it up............ problem solved.


Another good suggestion... I think the chances are you bump into one every 2.6 trillion years... so says EFT 0_0
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#108 - 2012-03-22 07:31:47 UTC
Halete wrote:
I seriously hope that this doesn't get rolled out just because it's been moaned about enough over the years. No space should be safe, all an AFK cloaker is doing is making you feel threatened. If you're NOT threatened when you're playing EVE you're doing something wrong - or you're a Nullbear (may or may not be analogous with 'doing something wrong').

The problem is thusfold: your opposition has taken a step to disrupt your industry (AFK Cloakers). Your in-game response to this is to do nothing. Your out of game response to this is to ask for it to be nerfed.

If you're not willing to defend your space, you will lose it.


This is more like it.
Bricksauce
The Soul Society
Fraternity.
#109 - 2012-03-22 11:25:49 UTC
#nullsecproblems

Don't ask for CCP to nerf something simply because it's a mere inconvenience to you. Be a man (or woman), drop some balls, and just bait and kill the cloaker.

!
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#110 - 2012-03-22 11:48:42 UTC
Your argument amounts to the usual. "I am too incompetent to move next door and am unwilling to accept that conquerable space requires defending on the basis that it costs me/us more money to defend our space from someone that we percieve as not even playing the game therefore I wish to remove the 'threat' rather than make any effort whatsoever to deal with the 'issue'. P.S. I am actually a coward and should probably not be in null sec even though it's actually far safer for industry than high-sec is."

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Suni Khan
#111 - 2012-03-23 15:44:17 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Is there an 'afk cloaker' present?

A: No... go mine and look at local

B: Yes ... go next door and mine


Add look at local to B aswel. Dont want those miners thinking that next door is always safe.
Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#112 - 2012-03-23 16:53:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Chav Queen
There needs to be some way of finding and killing ships that are cloaked and stationary for a long peroid of time.
At the moment the hunter can never really become the hunted unless he reveals himself.
I wonder how hunters would feel for instance if you could mine from a perma cloaked ship?

Why not give cloaked ships the ability to find other cloaked ships abit like submarines stalking each other.

I hear alot of people laughing when noobs loose ships in high sec and say no where in EVE is completley safe
I could not agree more with that statement but it should also apply to sitting cloaked in a system full of hostile people.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#113 - 2012-03-23 17:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Chav Queen wrote:
There needs to be some way of finding and killing ships that are cloaked and stationary for a long peroid of time.
At the moment the hunter can never really become the hunted unless he reveals himself.
I wonder how hunters would feel for instance if you could mine from a perma cloaked ship?

Why not give cloaked ships the ability to find other cloaked ships abit like submarines stalking each other.

I hear alot of people laughing when noobs loose ships in high sec and say no where in EVE is completley safe
I could not agree more with that statement but it should also apply to sitting cloaked in a system full of hostile people.


Being docked up is 100% safe. The downside is all you can do is spin your ship.

Being cloaked is quite safe as well (but not 100%). The downside is all you can do is look around.

It's quite possible to "hunt the hunter" without having a tool to decloak them.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#114 - 2012-03-23 17:52:37 UTC
Chav Queen wrote:
There needs to be some way of finding and killing ships that are cloaked and stationary for a long peroid of time.
At the moment the hunter can never really become the hunted unless he reveals himself.
I wonder how hunters would feel for instance if you could mine from a perma cloaked ship?

Why not give cloaked ships the ability to find other cloaked ships abit like submarines stalking each other.

I hear alot of people laughing when noobs loose ships in high sec and say no where in EVE is completley safe
I could not agree more with that statement but it should also apply to sitting cloaked in a system full of hostile people.



Exactly. Have a cloaked afk neutral in every single system is a bit ridiculous. There needs to be a way to decloak these guys. i feel that a manual activation cycle would be best.
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
#115 - 2012-03-23 20:33:17 UTC
Torothin wrote:

Exactly. Have a cloaked afk neutral in every single system is a bit ridiculous. There needs to be a way to decloak these guys. i feel that a manual activation cycle would be best.


Life must be nice in your bubble of concern. Cause an arbitrary duration wouldn't have any kinds of adverse affects in other areas now would it. And clearly, these people would neverRoll find a way around sitting afk for hours even with a manual activation now would they.

Come up with something useful that doesn't just involve your feeble situation and actually looks at other parts of the game before you run off making another idiotic suggestion.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#116 - 2012-03-23 23:25:35 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Exactly. Have a cloaked afk neutral in every single system is a bit ridiculous. There needs to be a way to decloak these guys. i feel that a manual activation cycle would be best.


Yet again, you want the burden of activity taken off of you and put on someone else. If it's your system, then you need to do something about it.

Seriously, if you're letting an AFK cloaker interfere with what you're doing, you've already surrendered the initiative to them and lost.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#117 - 2012-03-24 08:01:20 UTC
Afk cloakers. Can't move, can't shoot, but they can single handedly lock down an entire system.
Quebber
State War Academy
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-03-25 11:20:14 UTC
Tactics are already in place.
Form a home defence fleet, all those guys sitting in station playing with ships, do co-ordinated mining ops with backup, couple of insta canes or even tackle frigates, what you should be asking is why is my corp not dealing with this situation ?
Josef Stylin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2012-03-25 14:09:49 UTC
So why don't you just get an AFK alt in a combat ship then to sit next to you?

There are several ways to identify a bad EVE player - one of which is an inability to use existing ingame mechanics to combat other mechanics, and instead whining to change the system. You have 6 pages of suggestions here, and even so, this amount of kindness surprises me.

Just stop replying to this thread and walk away while you have still a shred of dignity remaining.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#120 - 2012-03-25 14:10:31 UTC
Quebber wrote:
Tactics are already in place.
Form a home defence fleet, all those guys sitting in station playing with ships, do co-ordinated mining ops with backup, couple of insta canes or even tackle frigates, what you should be asking is why is my corp not dealing with this situation ?



Wait, you're suggesting he actually fix his own corner of the sandbox? Absurd!

(That's sarcasm, in case it isn't obvious.)

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"