EVE General Discussion

request the op to change the title to

"Stupid Miners, Darwin at work."

In all seriousness though

Ore bay for all mining ships.

remove massive cargo bays.

Make sure the cargo expanders dont work on the ore bays.

This will force the miners to put something other than cargo expanders.

Might need to rebalance barges to be armor tanks tho so they can fit a proper lowslot tank.

1) Ban NPC corps. Risk-free 23/7 commodity injection in the player community is going to lower the rewards of mining. Despite the claims in this thread, mining is still extremely safe.
2) Make Rorquals be able to fit capital strip miners, so miners have an actual incentive to mine in low/null.
3) Get rid of drone compounds so the existence of ore miners is no longer 'unneeded' for manufacturing.'

Three things to fix mining and ganks

First, let the explosion in the supply of ISK run its course, nerfing drone poo is a good first step in this regard. Make it worth bringing friends that you can afford to pay.

Secondly, revamp mining so that it can be done passive (Current method) for crap yields in high sec, but add an extra layer of attention/play/engagement for yields comparable to current game play or a tiny bit above, but no more than 10%. 80% lower than today for the passive method, and 10% more than today for the active method - in high sec. In null sec and low sec, the passive mode yields the same as today and the active method 20% more than today.

There needs to be a passive mode so that the brave can go mine in null and low, all alone, and have the extra time to keep an eye out for bad guys. This is why mining is boring, because it used to be worth the time to be bored and use that time to keep an eye on things.

There is no keeping your eye on things in high sec, local is useless as an intel tool, the majority of people you come across are neuts, no sense in dscan, there must be a million thrashers sitting in hangars, the majority of which are not suicide ganks. It's like driving down the road trying to keep track of Toyotas, pointless.

And third, bump up the HP of barges, industrials etc. They'll still be killable in null and low, once you get a point, they're not going any place. These steps will kill off bots and will make ganks more expensive to do and make mining something worth doing.

Let them mount Deep Core Miners, and remove Moon POS's. People complain about miners being AFK, but moon mining is far worse, you don't even have to be logged in.

All resource harvesting should be done by a pilot in a ship.

This. This is an mmo. The secogn thing Aura tells you after letting you know that mining is the backbone of economy, is that corporations are the backbone of your EVE life. A decent corp will give equal shares to all members in their minig ops, even if its a newbie, so mining will actually turn out to be more profitable for him and once he gets his hulk, the cycle will reapeat again with new newbies.

And while I agree Incursions are more rewarding than any other activity; I do not think they are any more fun than mining. Unless you are in a t3, you do exactly the same in a mining op and in a VG site: Warp in, lock rocks/sansha, fire up lasers, deplete/kill, switch target, warp out, repeat.

The only difference is that in mining ops you can actually talk and link p**n while you blast rocks into oblivion. I couldnt really concieve mining as my ONLY source of income, just as I cant think of Incursions as my only source of income. If you want more fun in mining, go do some organized mining in low-null-wh. If you want more fun in incursions... meh... (FC?)

OK, if I'm wrong, you are saying that one of the best (most exciting) and very profitable playstyles in EvE is to go around punking mining boats? That's pretty damned lame for a game as complex as EvE.

As a career industrialist, I just don't see the appeal in doing that at all. Maybe, I just have the wrong mindset for that activity.

If you're a career industrialist, why are you out there selling catalysts at inflated prices in convenient locations? With all the fittings up for sale too, of course.

Once people stop getting such high amounts of minerals from reprocessing loot, miners will have a more profitable market.

No. Ganking is "very profitable" in the sense that the profit margins are substantial. 2mil isk Cat vs. strip miners and other dropped modules, plus any cargohold loot that survives, and the chance for an Armor Plate salvage


If you are not the sort of individual who plays Eve for the PvP aspect, it might not make sense, but a good portion of the players are here to blow up more than just NPC's, and if they can make good isk doing it, they will take that course. The exact same reason they sit on gates waiting for a freighter to come through with a stupid high value cargo. They might make more isk mining, trading, or manufacturing in the time that they wait for that one kill, but they prefer that one kill and it's "benefits". The isk reward, the killmail, and "the tears".

The "thrill" of knowing that you just spent a small amount of isk and time to destroy a large amount of isk and time investment made by another person. That drive alone is why a number of people gank with no profit in mind at all. Even so, it is still profitable right now to do it, which is an answer to the apparent increase in said activity.

As stated earlier by Karl Hobb, botting is another solid reason that people choose to gank miners, but even still, loot and salvage from a bot is just as good as that of a non-bot.