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Issler Dainze

Tadakastu-Obata Corporation

The Honda Accord

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#941 - 2012-03-21 20:45:25 UTC

Vordak Kallager wrote:

Issler Dainze wrote:

Vordak Kallager wrote:

Miso Souped wrote:

Minta Contha wrote:

I voted Issler over Hans because Issler remains calm when being baited (hence good in committee) whereas Hans rages like a ****.

where did you get this from? Ive never seen Hans RAGE would love to see where you got this idea. He was actually baited many times during the election.....those that paid attention actually said did the opposite

In fact, he even persuaded several staunchly anti-Hans people to see the error of their ways and subsequently vote and endorse Hans (chief example being Corelin). But that is not relevant to this discussion.

What is relevant is that Issler may have outwardly maintained her same in-denial passive-aggressive persona, but she hasn't ADDRESSED questions/concerns that have been presented to her. She simply says "Goon alt, next!" if the question/concern is even vaguely anti-Issler's campaign.

vOv

Someone like Hans that after the polls closed continued to rant in my thread and refused to accept anything positive I said about him looked pretty unbalanced to me. I really don't see anymore how he could be effective working in a group where he will think disagreement is a form of personal attack.

As to the other charge I answered every legitimate question posed, I did not however address unanswerable questions to folks that clearly weren't reading my responses and only interested in some variation of personal attacks.

Again, huge thanks to my supporters! I will continue to try and drive mining improvements into Eve. To the folks still trolling in my thread, particularly the Blitzners, still trying to figure out what you hope to accomplish.

Issler

I really don't understand your incredible lack of comprehension.

Hans only engaged you here in this thread (and I don't think anyone would call it ranting, he merely seemed irritated to me) because you touted false information about him and his campaign and then later on consistently assaulted his personal character by calling him insane and unjustly (and illogically) questioning his ability to lead the EVE community (which I find ironic in the extreme). Oh, and you posted private communications between him and you, which (as I've stated before) isn't illegal but isn't very kosher.

Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality.

Nothing I said about Hans was false.

For example he admits to having pirated.

He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners.

He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining.

Maybe you meant I lied about the good things I said about him.... I hadn't thought that I had got those wrong...

I may have had a different interpretation of what calling a candidate someone who panders means but everything else I stated was a fact. He was unhappy I shared an Eve mail he sent me but honestly, not that much in it other the pander thing was that remarkable. The fact I offered to removed it and modify my post just netted more ranting.

It's funny how in just the last couple of minutes a neutral observer saw the situation exactly as I did, only the blitzners who clearly are full the brim with blitzner-aide seem to think the crazy posts of Hans were worthy of respect and continue to pointlessly post in a now irrelevant CSM campaign thread.

Let it go, its over... get a life because posting here isn't doing anything useful. You love Hans, great! Bake him a cake! But ranting in here because your boy freaked out isn't helping him a bit. In fact all it does is show anyone in the CSM that is having trouble opposing him how easy its going to be to bate him to the point of distraction.

Issler

GallowsCalibrator

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

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#942 - 2012-03-21 20:47:15 UTC

Karl Hobb wrote:

Vordak Kallager wrote:

Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality.

Issler is quite possibly the most epic unintentional troll I have ever witnessed. It's quite fascinating.

It's not even an unintentional troll, it's pretty much a full on bout of psychosis. Delusions of grandeur, paranoia? Yeah, someone needs a straitjacket and a comfy padded room here.

Issler Dainze

Tadakastu-Obata Corporation

The Honda Accord

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#943 - 2012-03-21 20:48:31 UTC

Karl Hobb wrote:

Vordak Kallager wrote:

Why do I continue to "troll" your campaign? I just think it is an interesting phenomena how someone can be so out of touch with reality.

Issler is quite possibly the most epic unintentional troll I have ever witnessed. It's quite fascinating.

At this point what makes you think my blitzner responses are unintentional. Other than thanking folks that supported me all I really have left to do in this thread is to see how wrapped around the axle I can get some of my detractors.

Issler

Karl Hobb

Imperial Margarine

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#944 - 2012-03-21 21:02:25 UTC

Issler Dainze wrote:

GallowsCalibrator wrote:

It's not even an unintentional troll, it's pretty much a full on bout of psychosis. Delusions of grandeur, paranoia? Yeah, someone needs a straitjacket and a comfy padded room here.

Yeah, can't really argue that one...

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Grumpy Owly

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#945 - 2012-03-21 21:23:17 UTC

Issler Dainze wrote:

He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining.

Actually my point was that it took me less than ten minutes to find a locate the details in both Han's campaign platform and his thread for the relevant details in respect to your specific comment about mining being fun. It was important for me to locate the references in context as I guess there needs to be some relevance and evidence in making a point valid. You might want to try it sometime.

This was to emphasise from your complete lack of even bothering to research another candidates viewpoints on the subject and formulate incorrect assumptions about them as a result.

to demonstrate again in context:

Issler Dainze wrote:

I never brought it up because I have been trying to keep this a positive campaign. So please show me the Hans being about making mining more fun. Never said that and he sure hasn't made it front and center in his campaign.

As you request, nicely front and center in his campaign:

Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

Joyitii wrote:

Mining thoughts....

Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS.

I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better.

Look, there's even a conveniant word "fun" used to help make a link to the reader that this is important in the development considerations.

Issler Dainze wrote:

I wish I'd have had time to follow anyone else's thread in any detail. I guess I have time now to see what I missed!

Issler

I guess you missed a lot and hypocritically try to argue about your own integrity.

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Pelador Rova

No Luck Corp

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#946 - 2012-03-21 21:49:38 UTC

Just thought I'd share some evidence supporting how much Hans views the industrial side of the game and has intentions to support them, seeing as some people want to throw this into doubt:

Amarr local wrote:

[ 2012.03.11 08:36:00 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Chribba o/
[ 2012.03.11 08:36:21 ] Chribba > ello
[ 2012.03.11 08:36:33 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm visiting your neighborhood here
[ 2012.03.11 08:36:40 ] Chribba > best place to be tbh
[ 2012.03.11 08:36:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > (though It wasn't the friendliest of welcomes, given me being minnie militia and an outlaw)
[ 2012.03.11 08:37:29 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > But I wanted to stop by and encourage everyone here to get to the polls and vote for their chosen candidate, this has never been a more important year to vote for the CSM!
[ 2012.03.11 08:37:35 ] Chribba > haha
[ 2012.03.11 08:37:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > We're looking to get a record turnout, hopefully
[ 2012.03.11 08:37:58 ] Kazuko Manjusha > buying faction afterburner
[ 2012.03.11 08:38:22 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Have you voted yet Chribba? I know you are a private man, no need to tell us who you voted for, but I'm curious if you've been to the polls yet
[ 2012.03.11 08:38:40 ] Chribba > I've put my vote from all my accounts yes
[ 2012.03.11 08:38:53 ] Jayden Amrahas > True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener
[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Zhihatsu > I don't suppose I could ask someone to drop 50m on me? I'm woefully short on fitting out my zealot
[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Jayden Amrahas > Republic Fleet Small Shield Booster
[ 2012.03.11 08:38:59 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher
[ 2012.03.11 08:39:01 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher
[ 2012.03.11 08:39:22 ] Shine Soaro > Chribba after so many years of playing EvE, what keeps you motivated to play, if i may ask?
[ 2012.03.11 08:39:54 ] Chribba > community
[ 2012.03.11 08:39:58 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Good question Shine :)
[ 2012.03.11 08:40:05 ] Chribba > without all you fine pilots I wouldn't be here
[ 2012.03.11 08:40:08 ] Shine Soaro > :)
[ 2012.03.11 08:40:10 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > There are a lot of bittervets out there, Chribba does not seem bitter to me
[ 2012.03.11 08:40:31 ] Chribba > sure there are changes that I too think was better back then
[ 2012.03.11 08:40:42 ] Chribba > but one gotta see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is what affects the most
[ 2012.03.11 08:42:40 ] Pelador Rova > I'd like to endorse Hans for CSM7, He has a solid manifesto with many key interests including veldspar. With the war theme in the up and coming inferno expansion he also has a wealth of knowledge to support the development due to his background
[ 2012.03.11 08:43:49 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Awwwww thanks Pelador!
[ 2012.03.11 08:43:55 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm humbled
[ 2012.03.11 08:45:16 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I hope after the summer of war stuff they can move on and do an industrial expansion
[ 2012.03.11 08:45:39 ] Kazuko Manjusha > its more pvp
[ 2012.03.11 08:45:40 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > overhaul POS's, fix up mining, and the like.
[ 2012.03.11 08:46:12 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Dont get me wrong - I love PvP. But the industrial half of the game has been untouched for much longer than both Faction Warfare AND nullsec sov
[ 2012.03.11 08:47:26 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I like to make boosters, myself. It involves gas mining AND Pos manufacturing, both systems that are pretty frustrating.
[ 2012.03.11 08:47:50 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > so I have some personal stake in it seeing them given some overdue attention
[ 2012.03.11 08:50:31 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > The only thing I dont have some stake in is nullsec issues - I dont spend much time out in 0.0. My interest is in making sure that empire space gets its needs voiced on the council
[ 2012.03.11 08:50:53 ] Ravees Artanar > good luck

So you can see that Hans is actually in favour of seeing the industrial side even potentially get its own expansion.

Issler Dainze

Tadakastu-Obata Corporation

The Honda Accord

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#947 - 2012-03-21 22:32:16 UTC

Pelador Rova wrote:

Just thought I'd share some evidence supporting how much Hans views the industrial side of the game and has intentions to support them, seeing as some people want to throw this into doubt:

Amarr local wrote:

So you can see that Hans is actually in favour of seeing the industrial side even potentially get its own expansion.

I never said he wasn't in favor of some improvements in industry. I said it wasn't his focus when he ran. I'm in favor of improvements in low sec and null. That doesn't make me the null sec and low sec candidate.

I like kittens and puppies!!

Issler Dainze
The kittens and puppies candidate!


Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord Likes received: 2,707	#948 - 2012-03-21 22:35:10 UTC 2 Grumpy Owly wrote: ............Space madness induced dead horse beating................. I've given up on you Grumpy Owly, you have near terminal blitsner-aide poisoning. Blocking your posts. Goodbye sad, lost and confused avian. Issler

Prince Kobol

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#949 - 2012-03-21 22:37:51 UTC

Issler Dainze wrote:

This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Being a Pirate has no relevance about wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve, just like mining only plays a very small part in Industry.

You seem to be fixated about mining in high sec as this will cure all the problems that Industrialists face.. it won't, not by a long way.

Your severe lack of knowledge regarding any aspect of Eve is actually quite frightening considering you wanted to be elected as a CSM.

Exactly what was your overall plan, you though that you could get elected as a CSM Member and then just get together a group of players to advise you when ever an issue comes up?

Yeah I can see that working really well.. there you are on a Skype meeting

CSM member - "So what do you think about about x,y and z"

Issler Dainze - "Hang on whilst I consult with my committee as I have no idea about this subject"

I just want to go back to the whole "he is a pirate" thing.

I would like you to explain what being a pirate has anything to do with wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve?

Lets use Saleene as an example, he has come up with some fantastic blogs regarding Industry, its faults and where he would like to see improvements made and yet he is the CEO of Body Count Inc, so does that mean he is unable to voice an opinion about Industry?

Grumpy Owly

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#950 - 2012-03-21 22:40:36 UTC | Edited by: Grumpy Owly

Issler Dainze wrote:

Grumpy Owly wrote:

............Space madness induced dead horse beating.................

I've given up on you Grumpy Owly, you have near terminal blitsner-aide poisoning. Blocking your posts.

Goodbye sad, lost and confused avian.

Issler

Merely correcting your consistant missguided interpretation of things, especailly in relation to myself. Not the first time you've tried to manipulate things about myself either.

Issler Dainze wrote:

Grumpy Owly wrote:

Issler Dainze wrote:

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret

Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?

Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?

Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?

Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.

If you read my last response to Hans I made it clear you were the one poster I was sad to have disappointed...

"Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret"

So I apologize to YOU.

Issler

But I suppose some candidates have their head sorted about this sandbox, whereas others simply just bury their head in the sand and hope for the best. Roll

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Issler Dainze

Tadakastu-Obata Corporation

The Honda Accord

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#951 - 2012-03-21 22:46:37 UTC | Edited by: Issler Dainze

Prince Kobol wrote:

Issler Dainze wrote:

Nothing I said about Hans was false

For example he admits to having pirated

He didn't start to run based on supporting high sec miners

He didn't make mining a major part of his campaign, even one of his supporters said it took him 10 minutes to find him saying something about mining

This proves that you have no idea what you are talking about

Being a Pirate has no relevance about wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve, just like mining only plays a very small part in Industry

You seem to be fixated about mining in high sec as this will cure all the problems that Industrialists face.. it won't, not by a long way

Your severe lack of knowledge regarding any aspect of Eve is actually quite frightening considering you wanted to be elected as a CSM

Exactly what was your overall plan, you though that you could get elected as a CSM Member and then just get together a group of players to advise you when ever an issue comes up

Yeah I can see that working really well.. there you are on a Skype meeting

CSM member - "So what do you think about about x,y and z

Issler Dainze - "Hang on whilst I consult with my committee as I have no idea about this subject

I just want to go back to the whole "he is a pirate" thing

I would like you to explain what being a pirate has anything to do with wanting to improve the industrial side of Eve

Lets use Saleene as an example, he has come up with some fantastic blogs regarding Industry, its faults and where he would like to see improvements made and yet he is the CEO of Body Count Inc, so does that mean he is unable to voice an opinion about Industry

Most high sec miners would find being a pirate incompatible with who they choose represent them

I am running on mining first as my primary interest. I never claimed that mining improvements were all that industry needed.

My slogan wasn't Industries Friend, it was Miner's Friend

You keep claiming my lack of knowledge about aspects of Eve but never produce and example

I made it pretty clear I would involve players to refine the suggestions related to the mining improvements I'd drive into the CSM process and already commented on how I would work in the CSM 7. By the way, been in the CSM already and that worked fine

There really is no discussing this with you. You didn't like me or how I ran my campaign, noted. Not everyone could be expected to support me. But there is no point in the back and forth with you now

You didn't support me, you didn't vote for me and would never ever in the future. Understood. If you feel this is so important to continue well after the election is over then start your own anti-Issler thread. I'm sure that would be a great use of your time

Blocking you too now

Issler

Vordak Kallager

Descendance.

GoonSwarm.

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#952 - 2012-03-21 23:19:32 UTC

Issler Dainze wrote:

Prince Kobol wrote:

Issler Dainze wrote:

Issler: "Oh god, this guy has a point. Blocked! Problem solved, phew that was close."

And also Issler, I know a lot of miner's, I used to do mining, I have a lot of friends that mine, so I would contest that you are overestimating the demographic of miner's who WOULDN'T vote for someone because they engage in lowsec piratical behavior (re: GCC). Suicide ganking is a different question, but Hans doesn't suicide gank, he GCC's in lowsec. Most miner's I know are well-reasoned individuals and (I am in no doubt that they) would know that just because Hans has a low security status it doesn't affect his understanding and participation in industrial mechanics and his advocating those mechanics iteration and improvement on the CSM.

From what it sounds like to me, you are appealing to the small minority of miners who are just absolutely ******** and get ganked repeatedly or die in hilarious ways when entering lowsec; you know, things that can be avoided through the utilization of common sense. That in itself is actually kind of fitting, since there is every indication that you are one of those people, and you know what, feel free to gather that small community and make a real push in CSM8 to have their voice on the CSM. Good for you.

But maybe, instead of insulting a community of players (miners) by making a reaching and illogical stereotype about them (that they are petty and unable to understand the nature of the CSM) by saying they wouldn't vote for a "pirate", you can stop calling yourself the Miner's Friend and call yourself the Oh-Look-There-Are-Some-Catalysts-In-Belt-With-Me-What-U/lskjdfa;sdfa!!!!!! 's Friend. Blink

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.


Vordak Kallager Descendance. GoonSwarm. Likes received: 563	#953 - 2012-03-21 23:22:57 UTC inb4 - "blocking you too, vordak!" *Sa souvraya niende misain ye.*

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Kai Tel State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 115	#954 - 2012-03-21 23:43:15 UTC 1 Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate.


Issler Dainze Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord Likes received: 2,707	#955 - 2012-03-21 23:44:18 UTC 2 Kai Tel wrote: Four more pages and you got more posts in thread than any other CSM candidate. These guys aren't showing any signs of letting up so that goal is in sight! Issler

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#956 - 2012-03-22 05:12:41 UTC

Vordak Kallager wrote:

Oh-Look-There-Are-Some-Catalysts-In-Belt-With-Me-What-U/lskjdfa;sdfa!!!!!! 's Friend. Blink

Quite a long title.

The Hey-I-Have-Blasters-And-There-is-a-Hulk's Friend.

-A

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

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Mr Epeen It's All About Me Likes received: 11,530	#957 - 2012-03-24 16:20:15 UTC 1 Congrats, Issler! Give 'em hell. Mr Epeen

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Sephira Galamore Inner Beard Society Kvitravn. Likes received: 385	#958 - 2012-03-24 16:39:49 UTC 1 Aye, congratulations! :)

Viziam Amarr Empire 3,706
Nicolo da'Vicenza Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 3,706	#959 - 2012-03-24 16:44:59 UTC 1 lol congrats issler

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Zixie Draco GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 193	#960 - 2012-03-24 18:27:46 UTC 2 Congratulations!!! \o/ I'm glad there's a girl among 'em...keep them all lined out!! Would you like a kitten?

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