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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#21 - 2012-03-19 21:18:39 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
How outdated are your computers? I'm using a 2008 Dell that was meant for media (1080p videos and awesome speakers FTW) and I'm running everything in EVE except the CQ on a healthy mixture of medium and high graphics. The only lag I get is when my internet decides to crap out on me. The FPS will drop just a tiny bit when I first warp into the room but it then quickly goes back to it's previous speed.

Seriously, get something without a floppy disk drive. Or if you can't do that then just zoom out all the way. You pretty much only need your overview and the control panel (if that's what the thing with the modules is called) to run missions anyway.



If you are playing EVE on a 2008 dell on medium/high then your frames are probably horrific, you are just a gaming noob so 30 frames to you is acceptable.

As I said, I have a gaming tower that runs BF3 on high and my video card is a GTX560 2GB... 30 frames is NOT acceptable to me.

150+ frames is what I get sitting in space at any normal location, with few or no other ships. I am willing to accept 60-100 in plexes and anomalies, but not 20-30.

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Ann Can
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-19 21:50:48 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:

If you are playing EVE on a 2008 dell on medium/high then your frames are probably horrific, you are just a gaming noob so 30 frames to you is acceptable.


What a bunch of egeek dweeb noobers. Throw enough hardware at anything and it will run. How many of you could run Eve with everything on max on an 11 year old computer and still get 60+ FPS?

Bunch of whiney brats that don't know a damn thing about computers thumping their chest over hardware and software they barely comprehend.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#23 - 2012-03-19 21:55:19 UTC
So was that a dig towards me?

What was your point?

I'm the egeek noober?

I don't get your post at all. Throw enough hardware at anything and it will run? What are you trying to say here?

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Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#24 - 2012-03-20 04:21:03 UTC
Coming up on your right: Giant Lag-Inducing Bright-Ass Cloud

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-03-20 07:12:35 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:

I have a GTX560 2gb of ram.... like 5th best gpu available.

and yet its doing worse then my 6970. Its funny, whenever these odd framerate issues, come up, the poster always says "but I have a GTX560, its rly gd, so it cant be my card!". Methinks that the 560 may have some issues bro.

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#26 - 2012-03-20 08:10:26 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:


But please, for the love of Goddess, dim the bright white ones a little! There's something wrong when my mission occurs right next to a large cloud so brilliant that it literally shines through my overview and heads-up display so brightly that they cannot be read clearly. I spend a lot of time trying to find screen angles that work, and I don't actually get to see what I'm doing.


yes +1 for this too.
Amaroq Dricaldari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-20 10:10:09 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:

I have a GTX560 2gb of ram.... like 5th best gpu available.

and yet its doing worse then my 6970. Its funny, whenever these odd framerate issues, come up, the poster always says "but I have a GTX560, its rly gd, so it cant be my card!". Methinks that the 560 may have some issues bro.

Quit being an ATI/AMD Fanboy. Just because a card is made by a certain company doesn't automatically make it better than anything made by the rival company.

And I may be using a Radeon HD 4670, but I'm willing to switch to a newer graphics card anyday. Doesn't matter wether it is Nvidia or ATI.

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Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-03-20 11:20:59 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Coming up on your right: Giant Lag-Inducing Bright Ass-Cloud

justsayin'

OT: I've never really had a problem with these. I'd like it if they reacted to having my ship in the middle of them (having a wake would be awesome), but that's really a different topic.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#29 - 2012-03-20 14:30:50 UTC
Yeah, there's nothing like that great visual experience when you zoom in on your ship in combat only to see a vast expanse of whatever color this particular cloud is. It's pointless, uses resources for no good reason, and spoils the view for those people who care to enjoy it.

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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#30 - 2012-03-20 14:51:34 UTC
Sir Substance wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:

I have a GTX560 2gb of ram.... like 5th best gpu available.

and yet its doing worse then my 6970. Its funny, whenever these odd framerate issues, come up, the poster always says "but I have a GTX560, its rly gd, so it cant be my card!". Methinks that the 560 may have some issues bro.


Yes for one, because you know how my card "is doing".

Methinks it's not the 560 and saying "but i have a GTX560, its rly good" is a true statement and has relevance to this topic. How many times do I have to say it, my card runs EVE on max with 150+ frames, runs BF3 on high with 50+ frames, runs every game fine... I'm not saying every mission or deadspace site I enter makes the game run horribly, most of the time I'm still getting 80 fps.

My point is, the clouds are UGLY.

AND they reduce framerate, I don't care what card you have, or how high your FPS are, you're getting LESS when these stupid clouds are on your screen, and that is annoying.

I don't like them and I want the option to get rid of them.

here are some example of how ugly and stupid these completely unrealistic and unexplained masses of dust are...

http://tinypic.com/r/2dhy9ag/5 >>> UGLY

http://tinypic.com/r/zsqrzp/5 >>>> you CAN'T tell me you want these in your game....

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#31 - 2012-03-20 15:10:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
How outdated are your computers? I'm using a 2008 Dell that was meant for media (1080p videos and awesome speakers FTW) and I'm running everything in EVE except the CQ on a healthy mixture of medium and high graphics. The only lag I get is when my internet decides to crap out on me. The FPS will drop just a tiny bit when I first warp into the room but it then quickly goes back to it's previous speed. .


iknowrite

I'm fine with a graphics option to switch them on or off.

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Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#32 - 2012-03-20 19:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Komodo Askold
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I always felt that they shouldn't be glaringly white or overly opaque, but otherwise the only gripe I had with them is how utterly unrealistic they look in comparison to the rest of EVE. They don't drop my framerate, but if they're dropping everyone else's then there should at least be way fewer of them.

But please, for the love of Goddess, dim the bright white ones a little! There's something wrong when my mission occurs right next to a large cloud so brilliant that it literally shines through my overview and heads-up display so brightly that they cannot be read clearly. I spend a lot of time trying to find screen angles that work, and I don't actually get to see what I'm doing.

Oh yes. Think about Ladar gas clouds too; they're a bit exagerated. Definitevely, gas clouds, harvestable or not, need to be remodelled (so they match with the current game beauty) and also be able to be adjusted at players' will.

The thing is, how to improve those models? Really, any gas cloud located in space would be very bright due to reflection of stars' light (think about nebulae). But they surely can be less brightness than the current one. Imagine, for example, a dust cloud: it would be very dark, opaque.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#33 - 2012-03-20 21:41:36 UTC
I think a good way to improve, at least the non-harvestable scenery clouds that surround almost every deadspace or anomaly location, would be to make the cloud/nebula more of a background, than a rendered object that you are inside. Anyone remember the mission where you have to warp into a seemingly endless spans of green toxic cloud (you can see funnel clouds WAY off in the distance) that damages your ship over time...?

Make the gas and aesthetic clouds in missions like this, where the nebula is far off in the distance, giving you a different view from just normal space, but not surrounded by thick dust.

Here's another screen shot of complete ludicrosity... (yea i know thats not a word)

http://tinypic.com/r/27ynz9c/5 <<<< pure uglyness

This really needs to be changed, not even for performance issues, just for gameplay enjoyment.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-03-21 05:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Komodo Askold wrote:
Really, any gas cloud located in space would be very bright due to reflection of stars' light (think about nebulae). But they surely can be less brightness than the current one. Imagine, for example, a dust cloud: it would be very dark, opaque.


Actually at that scale, gas clouds are invisible. Even great big nebulas, which span expanses so great there are multiple stars within them, are so dim that you have to expose them for several minutes just to see them clearly. Dust clouds that large are quite easy to see, but small ones not so much.

*points up to what Leto Aramaus said* See, it's not just more realistic that way, but it makes for better gameplay too! We should be able to see the gas clouds in the distance, while the objects up close are unobscured.

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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#35 - 2012-03-21 21:00:48 UTC
Ok I'm just gonna use this particular thread to say this, could go on any of the FAI threads, but might as well be this one since there's a decent amount of support....

CCP, the features and ideas forum has lots of ideas, some bad, some good, however...

Some are not just ideas, for new things in the game, new features, etc...

Some are FIXES** like this thread.

How many employees do you have there in Iceland?

Not enough to at least hire ONE person who's job it is to monitor these forums and respond to the playerbase?

How hard would it be to take 30 minutes out of every day to peruse these forums and go through the BLATANTLY wanted and sometimes needed idea threads, and post as a GM or Dev, and tell us that you're going to do them and then....


ACTUALLY. DO. THEM.

Why do you have this section of the forums if you aren't going to read them? Why do you read them if you aren't going to implement them?

You make me sick CCP, someone please buy out this company and start running EVE with some semblance of customer service and community support.





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fisk Alabel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-03-21 21:20:53 UTC  |  Edited by: fisk Alabel
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Sir Substance wrote:
Leto Aramaus wrote:

I have a GTX560 2gb of ram.... like 5th best gpu available.

and yet its doing worse then my 6970. Its funny, whenever these odd framerate issues, come up, the poster always says "but I have a GTX560, its rly gd, so it cant be my card!". Methinks that the 560 may have some issues bro.


Yes for one, because you know how my card "is doing".

Methinks it's not the 560 and saying "but i have a GTX560, its rly good" is a true statement and has relevance to this topic. How many times do I have to say it, my card runs EVE on max with 150+ frames, runs BF3 on high with 50+ frames, runs every game fine... I'm not saying every mission or deadspace site I enter makes the game run horribly, most of the time I'm still getting 80 fps.

My point is, the clouds are UGLY.

AND they reduce framerate, I don't care what card you have, or how high your FPS are, you're getting LESS when these stupid clouds are on your screen, and that is annoying.

I don't like them and I want the option to get rid of them.

here are some example of how ugly and stupid these completely unrealistic and unexplained masses of dust are...

http://tinypic.com/r/2dhy9ag/5 >>> UGLY


http://tinypic.com/r/zsqrzp/5 >>>> you CAN'T tell me you want these in your game....




i actually likes the clouds and i think the SS you took makes a good example of how beautiful clouds can be.

but i agree that there should be an option to shut off clouds because everyone have diffrent taste
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#37 - 2012-03-21 21:24:34 UTC
Yes so beautiful those bright screens full of particles that obscure everything else in the game, including the HUD.

You sir have a strange definition of beauty.

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Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-03-21 22:17:37 UTC
Please don't feed the trolls guys. And that includes anyone saying the clouds are nice, because they can't be. They don't look like anything, and obscure ALL the nice graphics.

I totally endorse this idea.

If the clouds must remain (because CCP are weird) then they need to be rendered in a different way. Don't make them a particle field, make them a generic almost-transparent blob. That way we get a cloud, but one that won't hurt frame rates, and hopefully one that is significantly less opaque.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-21 22:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
I don't mind "clouds" per say, but it's the annoying lighting that comes off of them.

You can't zoom out or have the camera oriented towards the clouds, else it's the same thing as stairing into the sun.

As well, suns need to be dimmed down.

I realize that if I were in real space the sun would be too bright to look at and that gas clouds would refract the sun's light making them seem a bit blinding.

HOWEVER, I am not in real freaking space!!!!! I'm playing a game that I would like to be able to see on decent graphics setting without being blinded by crap. I have my graphics turned down just because of the bright crap!!!
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#40 - 2012-03-21 22:55:23 UTC
Dear forum users....

Hello, this is NOT a CCP Developer who is NOT responding to the game community and assuring that this issue will be promptly taken care of.

Thank you for NOT quitting the game due to our lack of communication or listening to our customers. We will continue to NOT listen to your ideas and NOT implement them in a timely fashion at all.

If you have any questions or complaints, please feel free to NOT post on this forum on any other forum, and don't bother filing a petition for something such as this, because we only change the game as WE see fit, not as the players want it.

Thank you, signed...

NOT a CCP dev. (because we never read or post in any of the threads except our own stickies)

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