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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3801 - 2012-03-21 16:38:45 UTC
Dhakgar wrote:
Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.

EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't normally -walk around-


Only because they can't walk around. If you give them the means to walk around they will.

Next stupid comment?

Mr Epeen Cool
The Hamilton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3802 - 2012-03-21 17:18:19 UTC
Dhakgar wrote:
Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.

EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't normally -walk around-


Your statement implies they do some walking around.

Dhakgar wrote:
Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.

EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't walk around


This is your new opinion. I hope you like it.


Also it is on the "extreme backburner", hence Crucible silly. Thanks for adding nothing to a topic.

Now on with my much better and cooler opinion. WiS needs to be implemented to compete against future games. SWTOR has swooped in and taken MANY of the players EVE could have had. Also, before you complain that we don't need them well without new players people will only quit until there is one sad lonely man who owns all of nullsec and can't sell a Titan for 0.1 isk. We shouldn't be so picky about who our new players are. We still need them and we all flew those dreadful newbie frigs at some point. Besides once they start playing, you can show them the full extent of the warp to and shoot gameplay. But to convince them to even try, there needs to be a stronger connection with the character the player is being and the player themselves. This is helped by an avatar, which is why we even bother to make them in the first place. Without this EVE would never have grown as much as it has. To help solidify this connection with the avatar, players desire at least a small amount of interaction with them, let me introduce CQ. So the next step is giving a small amount of gameplay these new players can do with their avatar, while combining it with the requirement that they learn to fly a spaceship. At this point you don't even NEED tutorials, player desire to interact with their sci-fi avatar will be a big enough drive for them to climb that learning cliff.

I like EVE. But I'd also like it to be a bit bigger.
bornaa
GRiD.
#3803 - 2012-03-21 20:35:46 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
bornaa wrote:
I hate when i click quote and not edit.


Then click back / cancel next time instead of post. Lol



I didn't see that i clicked the wrong button and didn't see small "quote" text in text of post so i made change and hit post.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#3804 - 2012-03-21 20:52:43 UTC
WiS is one thing I would really like to see.

However I do understand the amount of work and load on the severs this would cost.

Just imagine a station environment in Jita in which potentially everyone docked in station could be walking around in the same virtual environment. that could be over 2000 players. that is a huge sever load. to make it work they would have to limit the number of players that could dock at a given station or at least limit the number of players that could access the public area's at any given time. there are many work arounds for this, adding levels/floors each being there own zone, Moving WiS graphics client side(which opens the doors to client side moding) etc.

In the short term though it would be a nice addition to WiS if you could visit other station guests in there personal captains quarters.

What is the point of being able to walk around a room in an MMO as your avatar if you can not interact with anyone.

I am thinking you could right click on the persons name in the station guests list and select visit quarters. The person you are requesting to visit then gets a pop up asking if they accept you into their quarters. If yes, then you are both loaded into their personal quarters. there can be a set limit as to how many visitors you can have at a given time, and possibly a menu where you can set preferences as to who you allow to visit by Corp/alliance/standings etc. Anyone not meeting these requirements would be auto rejected to prevent grieving by repeatedly sending unwanted visit requests.

This could later be expanded to additional rooms available to corps/alliances with offices in the station. Like a conference room for corp alliance meetings. private rooms for EVE hold'em poker or other games, etc. There are endless possibilities before moving to a full public area where anyone/everyone walking around in a station would see everyone else.
Avila Cracko
#3805 - 2012-03-21 22:40:45 UTC
I see that more and more people are coming to their senses and starting to realize that EVE is suffering every minute that its without WiS and avatar gameplay.

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Jita Alt666
#3806 - 2012-03-21 22:45:30 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
I see that more and more people are coming to their senses and starting to realize that EVE is suffering every minute that its without WiS and avatar gameplay.


See that more and more people are happy that CCP have addressed a number of traditional Eve concerns and appear to set on addressing even more. This positivism allows people to look at what possibilities might be in the future.
Caellan Traverse
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3807 - 2012-03-21 23:07:42 UTC
As long as the focus stays on ships and space, I see no reason why people are saying 'no' to WiS. Even if it is purely an optional social hub, I would love to be able to walk on space stations.

Whether that's standing near the docks, looking out a large window into space, watching other players docking their ships or setting off, seeing the galaxy pass by. Or heading to a Mass Effect style nightclub with friends just for giggles. I think there's a lot more to space than JUST space. I'd love to get a greater sense of each race's culture through their stations, and perhaps eventually, their planets.

I'm also not ashamed to admit that it's the avatar system that finally convinced me to give EVE a go. I can't wait to see how WiS evolves in future expansions, but I do also believe that the spaceships should remain the core experience. I don't ever want to see a gun in my avatar's hands for example. Clearly that's what DUST is for, so I think the devs are on the same page there.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3808 - 2012-03-21 23:18:44 UTC
I well remember all the whine in this forum (well the old forum, actually) when the pleasure hubs were demolished. A pleasure hub in name only. It looked like the same stupid docking bay as all the other stations.

Now there is the possibility of having an actual one with real dancers, booze and gambling and many of these same people are whining that they don't want it.

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Avila Cracko
#3809 - 2012-03-21 23:20:44 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Also, you cannot deny the fact that the emoter freaks are out there, and unfortunately they infest like parasites on the back of your CSM platform.


http://youtu.be/Y5XOOpjyC5w

The emoter freaks have infested CCP. .



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You... you...
I hate you. Evil

I now have that on my living room TV looping... Lol



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truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Severian Carnifex
#3810 - 2012-03-21 23:58:02 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I well remember all the whine in this forum (well the old forum, actually) when the pleasure hubs were demolished. A pleasure hub in name only. It looked like the same stupid docking bay as all the other stations.

Now there is the possibility of having an actual one with real dancers, booze and gambling and many of these same people are whining that they don't want it.

Seriously?

I just don't get it.

Mr Epeen Cool



That's only the proof that some people are against every change, against everything, against everyone and made for nothing but complaining about everything.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3811 - 2012-03-22 00:08:07 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:


hey, you said you play mostly solo right? are you having any fun? is this game worth your time effort and money?
i would guess the answer to all of the above would be, yes.

some viewpoints are worthless and therefore liable to my rebukes.

How I play the game is none of your business.

Most of your replies in this thread are worthless angry troll posts intended to insult players who don't share your viewpoint and will be reported as such.
Taiwanistan
#3812 - 2012-03-22 03:07:44 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:


hey, you said you play mostly solo right? are you having any fun? is this game worth your time effort and money?
i would guess the answer to all of the above would be, yes.

some viewpoints are worthless and therefore liable to my rebukes.

How I play the game is none of your business.

Most of your replies in this thread are worthless angry troll posts intended to insult players who don't share your viewpoint and will be reported as such.

come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3813 - 2012-03-22 06:47:14 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:

come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.

Please post proof to support your accusation.


I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3814 - 2012-03-22 07:50:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:

come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.

Please post proof to support your accusation.


I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread.


Must be noted that neither did I. Whenever I've talked about the ability to dance with other avatars as part of social gameplay, I've been thinking of something new and (as far as I know) never attempted before, akin to syncronized maneuvering and not merely triggering silly animations like in >insert random *** clone or the unspeakable itself<

And BTW, I am insisting with social gameplay as it's the easier to get and yields the maximum gaming per developing. It could be done from inside the CQ, at the lowest level.

Fly with people, talk with people... we already do that. Just with a clumsy unappealing chat interface and from a 3D view of a mannequin alone in a showroom. That's easy to improve.
Taiwanistan
#3815 - 2012-03-22 09:11:39 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:

come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.

Please post proof to support your accusation.


I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread.

you do condone it though, as you are always so quick to defend those i rebuke.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

bornaa
GRiD.
#3816 - 2012-03-22 12:09:08 UTC
bornaa is waiting for good news from FanFest. Bear
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3817 - 2012-03-22 12:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Taiwanistan wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:

come on now uncle Taiwanistan just want to get to know you a little better, have a seat right here and tell me why you defend /dance.

Please post proof to support your accusation.


I have never advocated Avatar emote / dancing in this or any other thread.

you do condone it though, as you are always so quick to defend those i rebuke.


Heh, stop trying to put the 'spotlight' on me all the time.

www.thefreedictionary.com/condone
con·done (k n-d n ). tr.v. con·doned, con·don·ing, con·dones. To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.

Going with that definition of 'Condone', yeah I guess you could say that.

WTF does it matter to you anyway?

It's just another aspect that could be added to the game in which some players may participate. If it is added to the game, doesn't mean you or I have to do it.

So what if CCP has the Avatars do emotes. If some players wanna do emotes, good for them. If CCP does make it happen, I wouldn't mind my Avatar being able to do the 'Middle Finger Salute' or 'Flip The Bird' to various specific players (hint hint) every time I see them.

www.thefreedictionary.com/rebuke
tr.v. re·buked, re·buk·ing, re·bukes. 1. To criticize or reprove sharply; reprimand. See Synonyms at admonish. 2. To check or repress. n. A sharp reproof.

Anyway, you thinking I'm defending those players is incorrect. This thread has been trolled for so long by a select few that whenever an opportunity presents itself, that's the time to 'rebuke the rebuking'.
Mathias Hex
#3818 - 2012-03-22 17:15:04 UTC
I want to walk around outside the station and be able to jump off into space like in the rooks and kings vid so bad... more interior dwellings would be nice also...

Also display corporation advertisements on the screen in CQ give it some flavor, more news ect.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.

Allerum Larson
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3819 - 2012-03-22 17:39:04 UTC
EvE has the best space game out there. But I agree with the points that EvE needs to expand into a more personal presentation and subscribers will flow in like cocaine addicts.

SWG had social ships were you could invite 30-40 people in ship and was completely customizable insides with anything you found planet side via short commands like [move up 100, move back 200] and things would hang on the walls.
Making luxury yachts only for high sec space, to create social gathering for Corps will be an easier step in the meantime before WiS.

With Dust514 coming if they take current ships have physical interior you could have the PS3 players load up and be ejected out near the planet and then render on the PS3 a loading screen of Atmosphere entry. But while in the ship you could talk to the Marines or whatever they will be. This is a giant scope of awesomeness that is possible but CCP needs to expand its devs.

SWG proved people would be interesting in hanging out in cantina's and socializing. If EvE gets to a point where you can almost live a Sci-Fi novel in-game it would be amazing and hands down the most awesome game ever. People will fill all the roles needed to have a breathing society with people standing in vendors and selling things, people stealing from other avatars. Combat could then be taken back to space to settle the scores. People dancing in clubs, drinking not sure if CCP would want to go here but brothels would unfortunately also be popular with the weird people, but that might be too much lol.

MIners could gather and make up stories about where they found there latest ore find. People would get Han Solo and make up ship races etc.

The more CCP can deepen the experience into a complete virtual world the more people you will get. Even in its current state space combat is the best around, it can only be improved. I think CCP could take donations for a seperate WiS team and people would be willing to pay a little bit to get both sides of the game developed equally.
Romar Agent
Doomheim
#3820 - 2012-03-22 18:54:14 UTC
Is the voting still on? I would appreciate full WIS, but it would need to a. not try to grill my mainboard b. have some meaningfull content.

Whereas meaningfull for me would be something as simple as a poker table (perhaps like PKR) - just a way to interact with other avatars.