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Banned by GM for RRing sentry drones. Dev verdict required

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Postradamus
Asstronauts
#1 - 2012-03-21 18:22:17 UTC
My brother and a friend were banned a few days ago. The explanatory mail accused them of "Macroing".

They weren't macroing.

Here's what they were actually doing:

1. Find area in HIGHSEC where rats spawn
2. Turn on local tank
3. Launch a few sentry drones
4. Target each drone and apply remote reps to drones
5. Sit back and watch as wave after wave of rats attack the ship and/or the drones, and are blown up

As you can clearly see, this setup requires NO CLICKING OF ANY KIND, much less automated clicking.

Both players asked for an in-depth explanation of their bans, and received identical copypasta responses claiming that GMs had investigated and found evidence of "automation", and stating that further petitions would be ignored.

YOU'D THINK LAUNCHING SENTRY DRONES AND REMOTE REPAIRING THEM IS OK, but I guess I need to get a Dev ruling on the acceptability of this practice.

(If any dev actually reads this, please PM me with some advice on how I can help my associates get un-banned.)
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-03-21 18:24:08 UTC
I've thought about doing that in Cosmos areas. I guess it gets you banned.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#3 - 2012-03-21 18:28:56 UTC
Devs don't make game policy. They make games. What you want to do is click on the escalate button and get a senior GM involved.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#4 - 2012-03-21 18:29:10 UTC
hmmm interesting idea, i may have to try this
Postradamus
Asstronauts
#5 - 2012-03-21 18:34:09 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Devs don't make game policy. They make games. What you want to do is click on the escalate button and get a senior GM involved.


Yeah well that led to the "We'll be ignoring your future petitions" response.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#6 - 2012-03-21 18:35:20 UTC
If - IF - that happened exactly the way you described it, I can't see a ToS violation.

Else I'd have to start my armor repper anew with each repair cycle during missions.

Also, did you escalate?
Oregin
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#7 - 2012-03-21 18:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Oregin
I can't see why this is bannable.

You didn't use any additional programs.

It's simply a case of a game mechanic allowing for afk behaviour to be profitable. In the same way that miners can leave their lasers running while they go and do other things. I realise that this allows much more protected periods of time afk than mining since their cargo fills up sooner or later but I doubt the profit is equivalent either.

Would you be banned if you were just idling in a belt with drones out? Thats equally automated but altogether more dumb because you're not guaranteeing the safety of the drones.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#8 - 2012-03-21 18:41:11 UTC
If it happened as you claim (not saying it didn't), then CCP needs to get this fixed.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-03-21 18:45:30 UTC
One interesting approach would be to drop 2 Domis out with sentries + 5 RRs decdicated to drones and one for a Noctis. Then bring a Noctis in and loot while the domis AFK it. Use a Hauler to carry loot back to the station - so now you're quad boxing but only need to pay attention to 2 of them (noctis + hauler).

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-03-21 18:45:54 UTC
Is the OP telling the truth? IDK, maybe, sounds very possible

Will CCP reply to this and take action? Probably not, I've seen other "i got banned for nothing" threads and CCP rarely replies to them.


good luck to you though, that sounds like an odd situation.

FC, what do?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#11 - 2012-03-21 18:47:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Actually, that sounds like a great idea. Using a dominix with 5 medium reppers and 5 sentry drones. I've had trouble with the whole drones getting aggro, but this makes everything much simpler!

(I dualbox dominixes, and both use sentry drones, one also has guns. It's a pain to pull both batches of drones and so on.)

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#12 - 2012-03-21 18:49:52 UTC
So, if I found someone doing this and flew a toon there and used a remote rep on the guy remote repping the drones, would the drone attack me and send CONCORD to kill the guy ratting? Or did they fix that?

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#13 - 2012-03-21 18:50:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mai Khumm
I don't see how this is a banable offense...

You either indirectly pissed off a dev or 2.
Or someone reported you and thought you were macroing.
Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-21 18:51:54 UTC
Obvious exploit of broken game mechanics just like using web.

Maggeridon Thoraz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-21 19:02:16 UTC
easy fix. remove remote repping modules from game. will fix also neutral remote reppers in hisec ... Roll


Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#16 - 2012-03-21 19:04:52 UTC
Mentat Cthulhu wrote:
Obvious exploit of broken game mechanics just like using web.



0/10

No effort put into it, post will at most cause exasperation, not anger or tears.

Next time, write an essay about the topic you're trying to troll the forum with in such a way that most will realize they've been trolled only when they're reading the last line or so.
Postradamus
Asstronauts
#17 - 2012-03-21 19:04:58 UTC
Mentat Cthulhu wrote:
Obvious exploit of broken game mechanics just like using web.



That may well be. But for the time being, I would like to minimize the number of clicks I must engage in by using drones; that's the playstyle I have chosen. I would also like to remote repair my drones when they take damage.

If the devs can crawl out of the woodwork to declare the webbing mechanic an exploit, they can give a ruling here too. If it's an exploit, I won't do it, and neither will my mates when/if they get reinstated.
Adunh Slavy
#18 - 2012-03-21 19:05:19 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Actually, that sounds like a great idea. Using a dominix with 5 medium reppers and 5 sentry drones. I've had trouble with the whole drones getting aggro, but this makes everything much simpler!


It does sound like a good idea doesn't it? not so great against little gnat rats though I would guess. Put the domis far enough apart and it would be ok I suppose.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#19 - 2012-03-21 19:05:41 UTC
IBL!

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Arec Bardwin
#20 - 2012-03-21 19:06:11 UTC
I saw variations on this years ago in certain COSMOS plexes. Does this mean leaving a Domi afk in a mission room is a bannable offense now?
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