Ships & Modules

I did see it. I was there. It was so real. My hands were..... Oh wait.


I was there at the time though. I remember watching the 2 guys in my corp that had one in lust for one. They were clearing a **** load of isk while tanking spawns.

Heh, well that's a fairly big assumption to make sometimes, given people's mining habits.

I never saw the need for one nor the need to T2 my mining lasers. I use Covetors with the very real expectation they will go boom eventually. I do mine ABC in WH gravs though. Might think different if I was melting veld in a backwater with an Orca alt and a couple additonal mining alts to tag along.

Hulks salvage is worth for much more than you can mine with.
Thing is that if you're still mining you are doing it wrong, ganking is much more profitable right now and this is good to raise minerals price, but if you still mine don't sell your minerals idiots !! -stock

Every time you are selling whatever amount of minerals right now you are just giving to those alliances, that already profit from your hulk salvage, the necessary minerals/ships at low cost so they can keep gank you and build Titas/supers for cheap.
The meanwhile you wine on forums that gank is not fair.

Open you eyes a little bit ^^

Oh man I love the numbers in this thread
People don't know anything about mining and comparing it to missions.... geez

A covetor with T1 strip miners and no crystals, will do at best 8mil / hour, without having to warp to station to unload
If you have to go to station, you are looking at 6mil/hour at best

A hulk with T1 strip miners and no crystals, will only do about 500K / hour more than a covetor. So no freakin wonder the OP doesn't see the reason to use a hulk.... ("no s**t" meme fits right here)

A tanking hulk which can survive a single person gank, using T2 strip miners and crystals, will do about 2mil / hour more than a covetor
A non-tanking hulk which will not survive a gank, will do another 2mil / hour more to about 12mil / hour, even with having to jump to station, which is about twice as much as a covetor

A non-tanking hulk with good orca support, will do 20mil / hour (in practice, not theory numbers), 3 times the covetor the OP is most likely using. A tanking hulk will do 17mil / hour, also almost 3 times the covetor

So hulk not worth the hull? Please... use some brain cells with the 3rd grade math skills you used to know but now let them die slowly.
After a month of mining (about 1 hour a day), you can do the covetor income plus the cost of the hulk hull back, solo, compared to what the OP is using.

Its like using a nightmare to do the starter missions and complaining its not worth the money...

All of these numbers are in high-sec.
In low sec, the same setup can perform twice as much income an hour if you know what you are doing, even though with current prices of high-sec ores, you can do close to 30mil / hour mining in high-sec per hulk.

And comparint to missions? How many times people will keep doing that
Mining is a semi afk no-brain no-gaming skills profession
You don't shoot anything except astroids, you don't need to use your brain at all nor really pay attention to details (except ganker warning once in awhile)
Add mining with an indy alt, and its just as much of an income as missioning or even better

And unlike missiners, a miner doesn't need as many skills, and be almost max mining in about 45-50 days (excluding exhumer 5), while missioners will need to spend more time to skill for the right ship, for the best weapons, spend a few billions to get really geared up to steam roll missions enough to make those 30mil / hour.

I'm not sure about that.

I'm making about 1.5bil a week from spending 9 hours in that week on mining with 6 accounts (4 hulks, orca, hauler) while I watch TV, and the rest of the few hours I have to play, I'm doing missions with some of my toons, exploration in WH/high sec. And I'm considering doing incursions as well with a toon or two. I'm also ganking once in awhile a hauler when I'm seriously bored from mining.
I also have two accounts doing PI (soon 3) and one doing research and menufacturing.

That pays off for all the accounts plus tons of spare for ships, modules, whatever.

I lost an orca in a WH a couple of months ago. It had a few sleeper salvage items, an extra ship.
I didn't tear up. Even talked to my killer in the WH for an hour, and even recieved an exit pass and a farewell.
I made that isk back within 2 days, and I still ended up ahead with profit at the end of the month.

I even lost a 900mil tengu in a mission once for being stupid (was more interested in the TV than remembering activating the shield module). That isk also returned and still more to spare.

Having several accounts defenitly doesn't mean having to spend your time making ISK just to pay them off.
You can easily make a lot more if you play it smart.

Hey you seem to know what you're talking about!

What if I used a Covetor with T2 Crystals, Mining Upgrade I, and an Orca supporting me?

My logic is: "Don't fly what you can't afford. Assume everyship will be exploded eventually. Assume that the more expensive the ship, the more likely it will be exploded before it pays itself off." so please keep that in mind. I'm just a simple 1 person, 2 alt operation right now.

Thank you very much, I appreciate all the help and advice you've given me. I think I will be pretty much safe from most ganks if I fly the tanked Covetor. In about 13 days my alt will be able to fly the Orca and start using the booster modules.

Do you have an idea what the Covetor tank fit would look like?

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it.