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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)
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Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#281 - 2012-03-18 18:26:22 UTC
While I admit that I do have the habit of repeatedly putting my foot in my mouth, I am not ashamed of of what I've done and don't feel the need to hide it. I believe that there are many Amarrians such as me who are coming to believe that slavery is wrong. Only when they feel free to say so will change happen. When people within a culture stop being intimidated to silence and begin to speak openly about injustice, perhaps the culture will change.

I am willing to face the consequences of my actions and of my future actions. Changing you mind, admitting your wrong and doing things differently is part of the Hamrite way.

If I wasn't supposed to reveal my donation to Teraa Matar, I guess no one told me and I meant no harm to them.

Now, since I know myself well enough to figure that I'll probably put my foot in my mouth many times in the future, let me take this moment to say in advance, "sorry." Blink

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#282 - 2012-03-18 21:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Ava Starfire wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Edaine paid the million ISK to Teraa Matar, just like i asked him to. 10% of all my taxable mission earnings will now go to support the efforts of the Teraa Matar.


Thank you for publicly admitting that you are providing material aid to the enemies of Amarr.



While not the smartest statement of all time, the isk donated to Teraa Matar by Mr. Cresthill, or any other humanitarian cause, will be used only for the relocation, medical needs, housing, and other costs associated with repatriation of recently freed or emancipated slaves returning to the Minmatar Republic.

If anyone wishes transaction receipts, you are welcome to them.

Avlynka Surionen


While the ISK that you already had earmarked for "humanitarian" causes will now be diverted to the war effort.

So his actions can still be classed as aiding the enemy.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#283 - 2012-03-19 13:48:29 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
WIf I wasn't supposed to reveal my donation to Teraa Matar, I guess no one told me and I meant no harm to them.
Teraa Matar are more than capable of taking care of themselves, either on their own or with the help of friends. It's your new enemies-turned-best-buddies in DSTON and NUVOS that you've put at risk, considering the pains they'd gone to to maintain their public stance that they were not assisting the war effort.

Rodj and his club of denture-wearing bastions of senility couldn't care less what the money is eventually used for. It could be used to feed civilian families. It could be used to build schools and/or hospitals. But they just don't care - the only thing they do care about is that the money went to a corporation that is actively serving in a militia belonging to an entity they directly oppose, and that it could potentially be used against them.

Sure, anyone who knows Ava knows she would only ever use the money for the purpose it was intended for - humanitarian efforts - but that's irrelevant. It still went to a corporation actively serving in the warzone, and that's all PIE needed to hear.

Prior to your ill-chosen statement, DSTON and NUVOS still had plausible deniability when it came to not "supporting the war effort". Now they don't. There is a difference between keeping silent out of fear of reprisal, and keeping silent to protect operational security. You would do well - by yourself and by others around you - to learn the difference.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Jev North
Doomheim
#284 - 2012-03-19 17:05:40 UTC
It seems a bit unfair.. considering the average capsuleer corporation's budget, I'd not call one million ISK "material aid" so much as "chump change."

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#285 - 2012-03-19 17:24:01 UTC
It does fit about half of a decent-fit tackle rifter.
Jev North
Doomheim
#286 - 2012-03-19 17:40:07 UTC
Fair point; and I suppose the real kerfuffle is about propaganda rather than ISK value. I'm just amusing myself considering a few perspectives out loud. If I donate a million to T'M, and then five seconds later to PIE, will everyone get dizzy from the rapidly see-sawing odds in this war?

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#287 - 2012-03-19 17:41:41 UTC
Jev North wrote:
It seems a bit unfair.. considering the average capsuleer corporation's budget, I'd not call one million ISK "material aid" so much as "chump change."
If we assume the often-used rule of thumb to be still accurate - that is, an average dirtside family's annual income is equivalent to roughly ten thousand ISK - that's about a hundred families. Possibly several times that, if you're simply providing supplies or offsetting some of their expenses.

It isn't the amount that is of any particular importance in this case. It's the corporation that the money has gone to.

Remember that we - or rather, DSTON and NUVOS - are dealing with a group of people who portray things in stark black and white whenever possible. Not people who are prone to looking further than first appearances to see the grey.

Your thought process, or mine, might note that even if the money were to be used to fuel TRA's combat operations (either according to or against Cresthill's wishes), it's barely "chump change" as you put it, and would barely fit half of a tackle frigate (as Tib pointed out). Following from that, you might conclude that it's nothing to get worked up over, or better yet, not actually a contribution to the war effort.

PIE, on the other hand, isn't looking at the details, and doesn't want to look. They see that money changed hands from a corporation maintaining it does not contribute to the war effort of the Empire's enemies, to a corporation actively serving in a militia that qualifies as just that. So what if the ISK isn't enough to put together a Rifter? It's still ISK in enemy hands that could be used for that, even though it's about as likely to happen as the all-Amarrians-have-sticks-up-their-asses stereotype is likely to go away.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Jev North
Doomheim
#288 - 2012-03-19 18:08:45 UTC
We agree, then.

You're an interesting fellow, Pilot Cresthill. Not very long ago since you came swaggering in with (I imagine) still-bloody Matari dog tags on your belt, Amarr's only child to grow up unaware of the Vitoc method; then a miraculous conversion; then providing PIE with an excuse to make war on the Disciples. A one million ISK excuse, but still.

The House will be taking Parimutuel-style bets on whether you turn out to be some kind of plant inside the next two months. House commission will be two percent.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#289 - 2012-03-19 18:43:47 UTC
Ms. Lagann,
I would (half seriously) like to adopt you as my older sister (not saying you are older in age), for two reasons.

1. You could keep me from doing stupid things before I do them. Little brothers aren't offended when sister says, "Don't do that you idiot!" Little brothers would expect that.
2. You actually have a good sense of humor and you make good sense. It is easier to listen to criticism when there is a little disarming humor in it.

If I could just remember to ask more advice before I open my mouth.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#290 - 2012-03-21 02:39:41 UTC
I was told that I should be careful not to reveal my location just in case those Seeker people come after me. Those Seeker people already know where I am. I was visiting with the Boma himself about it the other day. The sisters are providing honest if not dignified work for me to do and I am at peace with that for now. Am I afraid of getting shot at? Not terribly. Nothing I fly is particularly expensive right now so whatever happens, happens. I received a note from Edaine explaining that my spying on DSTON for PIE back in the day had nothing to do with the non-attack in Madirmilire. I was relieved to hear that. I'm still sorry for what I did back then and for the intense hatred I felt for anyone trying to help those abandoned slaves.

I was told today to forget about the past. Some of that guilt needs to be remembered lest I ever think less seriously about it than I should.


"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#291 - 2012-03-21 10:06:40 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
that my spying on DSTON for PIE back in the day



You're making even less sense than usual.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#292 - 2012-03-21 14:51:48 UTC
[quote=Rodj Blake][quote=Theobar Cresthill] that my spying on DSTON for PIE back in the day

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You're making even less sense than usual
[/quote

I know you are a busy man, Mr. Blake and you probably forgot that I once asked for your help. You never responded, but Ms. Goldcore did. I am going to put a copy of the exchanges below since that s of my past and nothing about it needs to remain secret anymore. Who I was then and who I want to be now should be an open book. What follows was my attempt to volunteer to spy on the Disciples of Ston and to ask for the help of PIE to do so. The first note was sent to Rodj Blake and Thgil Goldcore and what follows are interactions with Ms. Goldcore

Need to tal
From: Theobar Cresthil
Sent: 2012.02.02 18:4
To: Rodj Blake, Thgil Goldcore,

Dear Commodore Goldcore and Sir Blake

My name is Theobar Cresthill and I am a recent graduate of The Imperial Academy. I recently completed advanced military training in Deepari and have been running missions for the Theology Council in Arbaz while I train skills for eventual factional combat.

I am a member of the Cresthill Holders from Oris (Amarr VIII) in the Amarr Home System. My Father is Theosotar Cresthill of the Cresthill brothers. I have an 8.37 standing with agent Noghy Kiru of the Theology Council for your reference if you wish.

I am contacting the two of you after reading both your responses on the IGS to various issues and after reading your history and biographies. I need people I can trust, and people with rank and authority. From what I can tell, you are both loyal to God and Empire. I have discovered something that frightens me just a little and I need to share it with people I know are faithful. Before I tell you what I have found out, I just need to know if you are interested in hearing my account and if you will keep it out of the public realm for now. I’ll wait to hear from you before telling anymore

Sincerely
Theobar Cresthil

Re: Need to tal
From: Thgil Goldcor
Sent: 2012.02.02 19:3
To: Theobar Cresthill,

Mr. Cresthill

As for recognizable people within the empire you couldn't have chosen much better than Mr. Blake. He has been defending the Empire with pie since I was 14 and has helped in the founding of PIE, the first capusleer loyalist corporation in new eden. I am fairly insignificant next to him, holding a commodore rank within PIE. Still, I am quite interested to hear what you have to say and will keep it quiet, provided its not outright herasy... In which case I would hope you where smart enough to keep such a thing to yourself and pray for forgiveness having such thoughts. 

Thgil Goldcor
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusad
Commodore of PI

Re: Re: Need to tal
From: Theobar Cresthil
Sent: 2012.02.02 20:5
To: Thgil Goldcore,

Dear Commodore

Here is what happened. After completing training in Deepari, I went to work for the Theology Council in Arbaz. After running a bunch of missions, I accumulated large quantities of looted modules and stuff from the wrecks of the enemies of the Empire. These I planned to sell in Jita, so I made my way in that direction. The border system between the Empire and the Caldari State is Niarja. There are no stations in that system.

Who did I run into at the Kaaputenen gate in Niarja, but that snake himself, Ston of the Criminals of Ston. I stayed and watched for a bit. He was orbiting the gate. That’s it. I diecided that I would take care of my business and return and see if I could catch him there again. It is only three jumps from where I have been working, so it is an easy trip over just to check. On 2/2 at about 18:00 hours I found him again. This time he was hovering around a jet can. He just stayed there for a few minutes. When I had warped in to the gate, I ended up very close to his ship and the can. I scanned it and found that there were 20 Elite slaves in it. I waited to see what would happen. I am not sure why he took so long. It might be to take down pilot information that they report on the IGS. My goal was to try and guess where he went from there by watching the direction he headed. He took the 20 slaves and the can vaporized. I looked in the direction of where he warped. I became disappointed to find out that two gates were indistinguishably close together in the direction he went

Bahromab and Madirmilire gates are practically stacked on each other from the perspective of looking from the Kaaputenen gate. I determined that I would try to follow him and keep trying until I figured out where he was going. I got lucky, or should I say that God led me to discover where he was going. I chose the Madirmilire gate first and warped to it and jumped. I got there in time to see him listed in local. There are only three stations in system and I noticed that his name persisted in local so I assumed he had docked or was somewhere in the system. I started at the first station listed in the system which is the Carthum Conglomerate Warehouse. He was
docked there.

Shortly after I docked he left. I thought, “I bet he goes right back to the gate.” That’s where he went. I opened the IGS and within a minute, he had posted that 20 Elite slaves had been brought to what he called “Center #1.”

One of the Centers of the Criminals of Ston is in the Carthum Conglomerate Warehouse around Madirmilire VI, Moon 11. That has to be it, he didn’t go anywhere else. He went right back to the gate and began to orbit it. (post continued below)

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#293 - 2012-03-21 14:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Theobar Cresthill
Commodore Goldcore, I just joined the 24th Imperial Crusade. I did it because I am loyal and patriotic. I did it to make my Dad proud and to please my God. There is a recruiting office of the 24th IC on that station. Carthum is an Amarrian corporation. I have run missions for Carthum. What is going on? How could thousands of slaves be sheltered there without Carthum officials and the 24thIC knowing. I can’t see how. That is what is frightening. They could have me for lunch if they found out I knew. I am trusting you and Sir Blake with my life right now. I don’t know what else to do with this information. I trust that you will know what to do. Commodore, you have achieved the highest rank in the 24th IC. I respect that. Surely you can find out the truth of this matter.

Edit: There is bunch more, but it was getting too long. This give you an idea of what we talked about anyway

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#294 - 2012-03-21 15:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Yes, I had been informed by Commodore Goldcore of your discussions with him shortly before you decided to publish the private correspondence.

Clearly anyone who wishes to conduct private business with you in the future would be advised to bear in mind that you're not very discrete.

Oh, and I hadn't forgotten to respond to your mail - I simply decided to ignore it.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#295 - 2012-03-22 05:03:22 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Ms. Lagann,
I would (half seriously) like to adopt you as my older sister (not saying you are older in age), for two reasons.

1. You could keep me from doing stupid things before I do them. Little brothers aren't offended when sister says, "Don't do that you idiot!" Little brothers would expect that.
2. You actually have a good sense of humor and you make good sense. It is easier to listen to criticism when there is a little disarming humor in it.

If I could just remember to ask more advice before I open my mouth.

It's been two days, and I'm still not sure whether I should be flattered, amused, or creeped the hell out by that, regardless of whether you're serious or not. (Honestly, leaning towards that last one.)

Frankly, you'd be better off not opening your mouth on the IGS at all, at the rate you're going. And while you haven't managed to choke on your own foot yet, it's likely only a matter of time before you or someone else does. So just stop before you create more trouble for yourself.

Rodj Blake wrote:
Yes, I had been informed by Commodore Goldcore of your discussions with him shortly before you decided to publish the private correspondence.

Thinking about it, this would explain a few things about Thiggy.

Rodj Blake wrote:
Clearly anyone who wishes to conduct private business with you in the future would be advised to bear in mind that you're not very discrete.

I'm not so sure - his ability to be talk openly and publicly about things he shouldn't, and his inability to shut his mouth and quit while he's not quite dead last, makes him rather distinct. Not in a good way, of course.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#296 - 2012-03-22 09:29:28 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Rodj Blake wrote:
Yes, I had been informed by Commodore Goldcore of your discussions with him shortly before you decided to publish the private correspondence.

Thinking about it, this would explain a few things about Thiggy.


Thank you for pointing out the error made by my communications slave.

Rest assured, they will be punished for their sexist behaviour.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#297 - 2012-03-22 10:02:49 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Rodj Blake wrote:
Yes, I had been informed by Commodore Goldcore of your discussions with him shortly before you decided to publish the private correspondence.

Thinking about it, this would explain a few things about Thiggy.


Thank you for pointing out the error made by my communications slave.

Rest assured, they will be punished for their sexist behaviour.


For you to blame a slave for your own error and then punish that slave just to make you feel better about the mistake is a very sad state of affairs. Sadder still is that you probably feel completely righteous doing it.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#298 - 2012-03-28 16:38:37 UTC
Yesterday I was put in touch with a Sister's of Eve agent for some additional work. When she saw that I was a capsuleer, she was unhappy. She proceeded to point out how much death and destruction our kind have caused. She also said that If I wanted her to believe that I had anything good to offer, it would need to be proven with actions and not words. She went on to issue the challenge to use my resources as a capsuleer for good and not for harm. I have taken her words to heart. The path of Arzad Hamri will lead me to do good if I am willing to stay on it.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Boma Airaken
Perkone
Caldari State
#299 - 2012-03-29 03:39:49 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Yesterday I was put in touch with a Sister's of Eve agent for some additional work. When she saw that I was a capsuleer, she was unhappy. She proceeded to point out how much death and destruction our kind have caused. She also said that If I wanted her to believe that I had anything good to offer, it would need to be proven with actions and not words. She went on to issue the challenge to use my resources as a capsuleer for good and not for harm. I have taken her words to heart. The path of Arzad Hamri will lead me to do good if I am willing to stay on it.


Will you continue to work towards and espouse the core action of DSTON and NUVOS? Because NOTHING you do is even remotely comparable as this decision, this... Formative gaze into time.
Simca Develon
Doomheim
#300 - 2012-03-29 04:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Simca Develon
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Yesterday I was put in touch with a Sister's of Eve agent for some additional work. When she saw that I was a capsuleer, she was unhappy. She proceeded to point out how much death and destruction our kind have caused. She also said that If I wanted her to believe that I had anything good to offer, it would need to be proven with actions and not words. She went on to issue the challenge to use my resources as a capsuleer for good and not for harm. I have taken her words to heart. The path of Arzad Hamri will lead me to do good if I am willing to stay on it.


It is not only 'our kind' that causes death and destruction. Baseliners do just as much as we do if not more. What you're missing is that each individual is responsible for their own actions. I wouldn't dream of challenging her claim that we have probably caused more than our share of death and destruction, but as I told one of your associates, some battles are worth fighting.

Good luck on your journey.

Je suis le commencement de votre fin.

Le diable prend soin de son proper.