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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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bornaa
GRiD.
#3781 - 2012-03-21 00:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: bornaa
Doc Fury wrote:
bornaa wrote:
Here is OP from one thread that is close to describing why more then few ppl that i know left EVE:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=971172#post971172

Nazzer Dawk wrote:
Some background, I was somewhat interested in EVE back in the early days based on the spaceship designs. I saw the Naglfar and drew a space scene in my art class the next day, based on that design. I just never thought I'd be abel to play it on my old computer, so back in 2003-2005, it wasn't on my To Play list.

But one day I was at a coworker's house and he had EVE running on a beefy rig with a huge monitor, and I asked him about it. He told me about the in-game economy, the scale, the corporations, the fact that things that are considered griefing in other games are defended by the developers as essential parts of the experience. But the big question I wanted to know was whether you could walk around your ship's interiors. I REALLY wanted to know that. He said "No, but they're making an expansion that will let you walk around your captain's quarters".

Well, Crucible is out, and it's several versions in. And I played the trial shortly after I had this conversation with my coworker, but I dropped it after a few hours of play. It felt too... Impersonal.


Cut to three days ago. I am browsing the internet, and someone posts a screenshot of their character in the captain's quarters on Reddit. I'm intrigued.

Then I decided to give the game a try again. Bought some gametime the day before yesterday.

Immediately I got into the captain's quarters. I tried walking into the mirror before I realized that it wasn't a corridor. I turned around, went out to my ship, and flipped out. It's gorgeous. I've got the little holograms with "Fitting" and "Cargohold" and such on it, I've got the TV and couch, It's awesome.

Then I noticed another door. The one to the rest of the station. I ran over to it (Haha) and clicked the panel.

Closed for decontamination or whatever. Right, because the stations aren't done yet.

Well, I can say that I'm much happier that I have a proper avatar and that the amazing character creator isn't just for my Portrait anymore, but I NEED to walk around the station.

And after that? I need to walk around and customize my ship's interior. You guys don't understand, I -NEED- it. It's the thing that will make me a life-long EVE player, I can say that now. I don't want to be playing with spaceship toys in the backyard like EVE currently feels like, I want to be a ship captain. And part of being a captain is being on the ship, seeing out the viewport.


Sorry for the ramble, but other people must feel the same. EVE has so much promise. This could be THE GAME. It just needs to let us romantics life out our fantasies in this particular way.



This definitely proves that CCP should never advertise a feature before it is available.




On that i can agree with you!

They have played this game for not that short time... and they were hoping that WiS is coming for over a year.
All that promises, videos, talk, announcements made them so impatient when it will come, when WiS will come.
And then Incarna came...Sad
They saw prison cell and they just quit EVE.
And, i cant say i blame them.

And because that people i hope that CCP will give us WiS so that i can once again play with that guys and gals.
And i cant say that i don't want it too...Blink



p.s.
I hate when i click quote and not edit.
[Yes, I'm an Amateur](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRa-69uBmIw&feature=relmfu)
Ai Shun
#3782 - 2012-03-21 00:41:58 UTC
bornaa wrote:
I hate when i click quote and not edit.


Then click back / cancel next time instead of post. Lol
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3783 - 2012-03-21 01:47:38 UTC
Thanks to everyone that supported my CSM 7 efforts. Let's hope we get someone in the CSM 7 that will keep CCP's feet to the fire and get that door open!

Issler
Taiwanistan
#3784 - 2012-03-21 02:57:38 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Doh... either it's a briliant flop by CCP or it's an epic trolling... but sbdy just uploaded a video of (alleged) Inferno gameplay from Duality test server.

Won't mess with ISD so not gonna put the link ... just will mention...

- Never heard before in-station music (= new music?)
- An avatar portrait with a hat (= hats for avatars?)
- "Gender reassignment methodology" skill (Dude!? Shocked )

you trolling or really that dumb?

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3785 - 2012-03-21 03:25:11 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Let's hope we get someone in the CSM 7 that will keep CCP's feet to the fire


I hope you voted for Mittens then.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3786 - 2012-03-21 04:30:23 UTC
Mmm... toasty warm feet.
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3787 - 2012-03-21 06:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Issler Dainze wrote:
Thanks to everyone that supported my CSM 7 efforts. Let's hope we get someone in the CSM 7 that will keep CCP's feet to the fire and get that door open!

Issler


Doubt it. Being that the majority of Eve players seem to be HighSec and CSM 6 (5 & 4 I think) was 100% Low/NullSec, if things go the same way this time we are SOL. I am fairly sure there are not too many Low/NullSec players rooting for WIS. I could be wrong but again, I doubt it.

"If the majority of the players are HighSec then why does Low/Null Sec CSM's keep getting voted in?"

Its politics; when does the "popular vote" ever get the candidate they want? Case in point: 2004 US Presidential Election. Better yet Ron Paul would be president by now. Slash the budget by lowering foreign aid thus making federal income tax no longer needed (like it was before the 90's), end the needless blood money oil wars and Rome style world domination, put the bankers who caused the world recession behind bars and making sure it will never happen again by ending the "federal" [PRIVATE bankers who print our money and decide its value] reserve; who isn't for that kind of stuff?

Oh ya, the people who are currently rigging the system so they can continue committing fraud making billions of dollars by raping the general public. Welcome to politics.

EDIT: Even though I am a paid subscriber until September 2012, I still couldn't vote because my account is less then 30 days old. Now THATS politics. I wonder how many HighSec CSM ballots will get "lost"? They are probably being sent to Florida to get counted. ; )
Ai Shun
#3788 - 2012-03-21 06:35:25 UTC
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
Doubt it. Being that the majority of Eve players seem to be HighSec and CSM 6 (5 & 4 I think) was 100% Low/NullSec, if things go the same way this time we are SOL. I am fairly sure there are not too many Low/NullSec players rooting for WIS. I could be wrong but again, I doubt it.


I really, really, really, utterly loathe the idea of dividing the game by security rating. It is a lazy, stupid way of thinking to my mind and it only serves to divide the player base and create these types of divides. Have you not seen Taiwanistan, a null sec Goonie post in favour of MEANINGFUL WiS? If such a heretic can believe, who says there aren't as many that want it in a similar, meaningful form?

Rather divide people by what they want and what they don't want; what they do and don't and so on if you absolutely have to put them into buckets.
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3789 - 2012-03-21 06:57:23 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
Doubt it. Being that the majority of Eve players seem to be HighSec and CSM 6 (5 & 4 I think) was 100% Low/NullSec, if things go the same way this time we are SOL. I am fairly sure there are not too many Low/NullSec players rooting for WIS. I could be wrong but again, I doubt it.


I really, really, really, utterly loathe the idea of dividing the game by security rating. It is a lazy, stupid way of thinking to my mind and it only serves to divide the player base and create these types of divides. Have you not seen Taiwanistan, a null sec Goonie post in favour of MEANINGFUL WiS? If such a heretic can believe, who says there aren't as many that want it in a similar, meaningful form?

Rather divide people by what they want and what they don't want; what they do and don't and so on if you absolutely have to put them into buckets.



Sorry hun, if you truly think an undivided Low/Null - HighSec player basis is possible you are more of a idealist then I am. Being I am probably the biggest carebear idealist in this game, I am not sure that argument is going to hold any water. My basis for the statement is based on reading hundreds of forum posts doing research before I decided to come play Eve. The player basis is as divided as Israel and Palestine. Ironically it seems both player basis need each other to keep the in game economy stable, but when it comes to core values they are nothing alike. As for the Goonie coming over to the light side? Hell, a broken clock is right twice a day. As for being a "lazy" way of thinking is probably not the terminology you were looking for as there is nothing "lazy" about "thinking". I will excuse the semantics and agree to disagree.

The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further.
Ai Shun
#3790 - 2012-03-21 07:16:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
Sorry hun, if you truly think an undivided Low/Null - HighSec player basis is possible you are more of a idealist then I am.


I guess I am. I see that we're all players in the same game; some with desires to live in higher security areas and others seeking to carve out independent kingdoms. But we're all playing - essentially - the same game with the same mechanics and so forth.

Alyssa Cristole wrote:
My basis for the statement is based on reading hundreds of forum posts doing research before I decided to come play Eve. The player basis is as divided as Israel and Palestine.


Yeah, mighty fine example. But this type of thing is kept alive by players - all you need is to change your mind about it.

Wouldn't it be better to get support from more players of the game for WiS rather than trying to pitch it as high-sec? Wouldn't it be better for the game overall if content was approached across the game, not per security rating? Wouldn't we see a better CSM?

I changed my mind about it. You could do the same. Or not.

Edit: And lazy was exactly the word I was looking for. If you can't look beyond security rating / skin colour / weight / nasal hair and see a person; you're being lazy in your thinking and assessment of them.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3791 - 2012-03-21 07:31:46 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
If you can't look beyond security rating / skin colour / weight / nasal hair and see a person; you're being lazy in your thinking and assessment of them.


To be fair, there's many posters on these forums who give no indication in their posts that they'd pass a Turing Test, so its easy to assume there isn't that person behind them at all.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Rukia Taika
Allied Operations
Mechanicus Macabre Immortale
#3792 - 2012-03-21 07:34:23 UTC
Karadion wrote:
I can say for all goons except Rho Squad that we do not want WiS. That's 4000+ people right there.


Yea may be 4000 toons but i highly doubt it actual people are 4000. Your alliance is well known for having ALT toons coming out ones butt
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3793 - 2012-03-21 07:55:41 UTC
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
(...)

The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further.


+1 to that.

Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill?

The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec.

So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like:

More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes!
More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty!
In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada!
Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them!
Ai Shun
#3794 - 2012-03-21 08:53:35 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
(...)

The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further.


+1 to that.

Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill?

The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec.

So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like:

More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes!
More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty!
In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada!
Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them!


So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like.

And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me.

I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play.

Enough.
Malcom Vincent
Generic Alt Corporation 421
#3795 - 2012-03-21 09:18:24 UTC
Speaking of WiS; Raph Koster recently wrote an excellent piece that I picked up and shook about on EVE Stratics.

If CCP considers in-station environment with rentable shop spaces they should at least read it.

Upstarting Blogger: Ormehullet Guides and more is coming
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3796 - 2012-03-21 14:08:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Ai Shun wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Alyssa Cristole wrote:
(...)

The real problem with Null/Low Sec folks is they are so afraid any changes to Eve that are not directly related to blowing $hit up, are harmful to their niche game. Who knows, they may be right. An economy that shifts away from combat and towards other forms of trade such as casinos, virtual clothes, etc may eliminate any need to travel outside of HighSec. Everyone already knows my opinion on that matter so there is no need to rub it in further.


+1 to that.

Nullsec and their verbose spoke-alts are against anyone getting any gameplay outside of what suits to their interests. All in all, what's the fun with being king of the hill when nobody cares about the hill?

The point is that they are right in a way... nullsec is not going to draw any more players. For starters, it is "proudly" owned by alien organizations, and anyone starting a career by merely joining EVE is gonna find sooner or later that the real big guys don't hire their members within EVE, but elsewhere. So, IF (and that's one big IF) EVE gets to grow beyond stagnation, it will grow in a different direction, away from those nullsec alien organizations, and the more it grows, the less relevant will become nullsec.

So all of the nullsec CSMr's policy goes like:

More, better mining? No way, rather let's remove ABC minerals from wormholes!
More, better FW? Quite, but only if it serves as a testing ground for sovereignty!
In stations gameplay? No way, Incarna almost killed the game, yada yada!
Social gameplay? No way, this game is not about meeting people & doing stuff along with them!


So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like.

And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me.

I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play.

Enough.


I am not telling anyone how to play. I am not playing at all and the futile efforts to please nullsec stand in the way of everyone else getting gameplay... including me.

I as a player belong to several niches, and all share in common that CCP has ignored them for years and keeps ignoring them. I play solo - out of luck. I mine - out of luck. I play casual - out of luck. I LOVED the idea of WiS - out of luck. I would like to give it back to griefers - out of luck. I would like that hisec had endgame content - out of luck.

So I stopped paying for this game and will leave it in late april. That's not a decission, but a statement, as the chances that i get somehing to do with this game aside of piling skills are near to null. Crucible did nothing for me, so more Crucible = more nothingness.

All in all, i pay for playing games, not for them looking pretee. Roll
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3797 - 2012-03-21 14:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Ai Shun wrote:

So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like

And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me

I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play

Enough.


Same thing can be said about you and your posted reply. Talk about creating more and more divides between players. You are definitely no better than anybody else, especially the players you condemn.

You posted a reply containing vengeful sarcastic insults basically showing your contempt and disdain towards another who doesn't share your viewpoint. Not to mention it portrays you as a sanctimonious self righteous smug hypocrite.

But hey, we're all guilty of doing that from time to time. Some players just feel the need to do it more often than others.

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Sugar Von MurdererTits
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3798 - 2012-03-21 14:55:16 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
[quote=oldbutfeelingyoung]He always stated that meaningful gameplay was needed
He even put in some ideas into this thread

But he thinks that we only want to Emote others,where this comes from i don,t know
[/quote

There have been some very pro-active WIS supporters within this thread that have stated they do not want a FIS version within the station walls. That is, the potential to get ganked, jumped, or killed should not be a part of WIS. While there have been comments about having stations broken down into various security levels and I have mentioned some potential to have new trees of skills, again there have been a cry against such activities. It seems to boil down to WIS should be a place to chat, play games, and socialize

So Taiwanistan concludes (I believe) that if there is no meaningful game play, two avatars standing around will basically just emote back and forth (while potentially wearing fancy threads to show off)

But I could be wrong.


I resisted playing Eve for many years because I'd see my husband playing it and thought it was a dull shooter game in space. I do believe that the WiS element helped me to engage with the game in the beginning. I spent many hours when I first subscribed with the character generator playing with my 'Space Barbie'. I still take her out sometimes to do her makeup. So sue me

That said, in my opinion WIS would be totally and utterly pointless without the ability to kill, sabotage or directly **** with other players.

Some ideas that I might like to see in the not so distant future (just thinking out loud)

Shooting other players in station. The sec status of the system and your skill levels determine whether you kill the other player before concord shoots you.
Field surgery to extract and repair implants from the player you or someone else assassinated.
Meet someone in a bar and spike their drinks. Poison them, alter their ability to pilot, or prevent them from doing harm to other players. Again your skill levels influence how long it takes and therefore how likely they are to detect what you did.
Hack into their hangar and steal or sabotage their items/ships.

Of course the converse should also be true: you should be able to help other players in some ways like speeding their research orders or whatever.

But if it's just going to be avatars sitting in a bar then there is no point. So yes to WiS but only if you can do something meaningful.
Dhakgar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3799 - 2012-03-21 15:39:28 UTC
Abandon WiS or put it on extreme backburner.

EVE is a spaceship game, capsuleers don't normally -walk around-
Taiwanistan
#3800 - 2012-03-21 15:41:04 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:

So divisive. Perpetuating this dislike, creating more and more divides between players. You are no better than what you imagine the average null sec resident is like

And although you, like I, support WiS I can say now with utter honesty - you and what you represent with that type of dislike of other players disgust me

I have read enough of your paranoid, tinfoil hat posts where you simply heap dislike and hatred on everybody that does not play the way you want them to play

Enough.


Same thing can be said about you and your posted reply. Talk about creating more and more divides between players. You are definitely no better than anybody else, especially the players you condemn.

You posted a reply containing vengeful sarcastic insults basically showing your contempt and disdain towards another who doesn't share your viewpoint. Not to mention it portrays you as a sanctimonious self righteous smug hypocrite.

But hey, we're all guilty of doing that from time to time. Some players just feel the need to do it more often than others.


hey, you said you play mostly solo right? are you having any fun? is this game worth your time effort and money?
i would guess the answer to all of the above would be, yes.

some viewpoints are worthless and therefore liable to my rebukes.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."