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[Proposals] Dez Affinity's Guide to Make Eve Gooder

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-20 20:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Dez Affinity
Lots of words, read them if you're a nerd.

Logistics and Stations
You should not be able to dock while your Remote Repair is active on a player. Possible 1-2 minute aggression. (Mostly for stations, gates I'm not sure.)


Carriers and Stations
As above, the same applies. Carriers should receive 2 minute aggression for remote repping.


Storing Ships while tackled
If a warp disruptor is active on your ship, you should not be able store it inside a ship maintenance bay


High Sec Wars and Towers
Saving your tower by abusing War Dec mechanics and +1Day timers needs to change. Make it so you can only put in 23 hours of fuel in a high sec tower?


Wars and Corporations
Joining or leaving a corporation engaged in a war should have a 24 hour waiting period. No leaving corp to hop 3 systems then rejoining.


Security Status and Low Security
Killing Outlaw Players (and potentially GCC'd players) grants you a security status increase. (based on ship size, so you could in theory kill your alt a million times, but unless you are willing to invest a lot of isk and time into doing so, it isn't that worthwhile)

Also, you only get one Sec decrease per 15 minute flag for initiating combat (you still get sec loss for ship destruction if they dont shoot back) this is to encourage people to fight gang vs gang without absolutely destroying your sec just for shooting at a gang. Gangs will standoff sometimes because they don't want to be the gang that flags because they will receive too many sec losses. (seriously)


Self Destruct and Killmails
Generate a blank killmail if target self destructs. Players still get no loot and the target gets a potentially less embarassing killmail. Potentially remove insurance for self destructed ships also.

In addition potential gradient of self-destruct timers for Capital Ships to Titans.


Low Security Officer Spawns
Everyone knows the 'best pirates' are in low-sec. I'm not advocating Cormack starts showing up in Old Man Star. Potentially a 'baby' Officer (new or toned down old officer), where as 0.0 officers will drop multiple modules, low-Sec officers will drop ~2~

Give a reason for people to check the asteroid belts.

Hulks and Destroyers in High Sec
I'm all for ganking, griefing etc. When someone uses their 50-100m+ isk ship at a shot at receiving 100m+ in loot then they deserve props for the gamble. Using a destroyer to gank a naive frigate pilot with too much isk in his cargohold. Props.

Using two 1 million isk ships to kill a ship that is uninsurable and worth 200m+ isk is not fair to miners. They HAVE to be sat in that belt. Their tank is horrible. Nothing they can do. You lose sec status but thats inconsequential to Outlaws.

One option would be to increase the raw armor HP of Hulks just to make it that little bit harder, requiring more or bigger ships.


Probing and Plexes/WH
Change the Plexes that are not Radar/Gravimetric/Ladar/Magnetometric to a new name other than Unknown. Or change Wormholes name from unkown. A minor change that saves a few extra minutes but has no reason to be the way it is now.

Alliance Contracts
No limit to amount of contracts you can put up for Alliance Members as with Corp Contracts or a sufficiently larger number.

ECM Drones
Just remove them. They damage Solo PvP and small gang PvP. In a 1vs1, you have to hope you can kill them before they jam you, cause if they do, the other guy is GONE. So you really need to bring a friend to make sure you can keep him pointed. In small gangs, there is just too much jamming power, if they want you jammed you're gonna be jammed and you're outnumbered already. At the very least drastically reduce their jam strength.

ECCM needs a slight boost
Let's take this slow. ECCM is worth fitting but it doesn't help ENOUGH. Just give it a slight increase and see how it goes. Let's not go overboard.

Remove Login Contact List
Replace with remote locator agent style dialog. For a small fee it will tell you if the character is online or not. Enemies shouldn't be able to see the instant you log on.

Abandoned, unfueled POS
Something similar to the reinforced mechanic in the sense you can initiate a timer of X amount of days at the end of which it can then be unanchored. The only person that can prevent this is the POS owner.

Black Ops
They're good for bridging... erm... yeah that's it. For fighting? They're worse than T1 Variants of their ship for 10x the price. Bridging is pretty cool and all but there's no reason to fight with them. Just bridge recons and bombers. Give them same base stats as T1 variant. A Sin should tank as much as a Dominix can.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-20 22:07:34 UTC
"Gooder" is not a word.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-20 22:56:00 UTC
these should be seperate proposals...and even then most of these have already been beaten to death.

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-20 23:01:05 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
"Gooder" is not a word.


Thanks for noticing, are you a Harvard Graduate?

Drake Draconis wrote:
these should be seperate proposals...and even then most of these have already been beaten to death.



You want me to make 20 threads? I CAN TOTALLY DO THAT IF THATS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. SHALL I DO THAT? PLEASE POST TO CONFIRM.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2012-03-20 23:25:42 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
"Gooder" is not a word.


Thanks for noticing, are you a Harvard Graduate?

Drake Draconis wrote:
these should be seperate proposals...and even then most of these have already been beaten to death.



You want me to make 20 threads? I CAN TOTALLY DO THAT IF THATS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. SHALL I DO THAT? PLEASE POST TO CONFIRM.


No, good Lord no, we don't need that. Most of them aren't worth their own threads, discussed to death, or meh.

Logistics and Stations - meh, I haven't run into it so I can't really comment on it, it doesn't seem like an issue to me
Carriers and Stations - meh, I haven't run into it so I can't really comment on it, it doesn't seem like an issue to me
Storing Ships while tackled - this one makes sense
High Sec Wars and Towers - How often does this happen? And are you sure that it's an actual issue? And there's no way to express how stupid only having 23h of fuel in a POS would be, it would make highsec POSes MISERABLE to run
Wars and Corporations - Sensable, but wait for Inferno and see what CCP does with Wars there
Security Status and Low Security - Sec status gain for killing negative sec people makes sense, but keeping it from being exploitable would be tough
Self Destruct and Killmails - Discussed to death in MANY threads
Low Security Officer Spawns - Somewhat sensable, though it would be more sensable for them to be officer Cruisers/BCs which drop Med modules that don't already have officer varients
Hulks and Destroyers in High Sec - destroyers ganking Hulks is regrettable, but I don't think there's any way to change it without breaking either Hulks or destroyers. Most miners don't seem to realize the safety of mining in out-of-the-way systems, so it's not just the gankers' fault, the miners could do more to protect themselves but they're lazy
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-20 23:38:33 UTC
mxzf wrote:

Logistics and Stations - meh, I haven't run into it so I can't really comment on it, it doesn't seem like an issue to me


Happens A LOT in Jita. It's a high sec war thing. Fighting on stations sucks anyway but this makes it even harder to competently fight anyone on a station.

mxzf wrote:

Carriers and Stations - meh, I haven't run into it so I can't really comment on it, it doesn't seem like an issue to me


Happens all the time in low-sec. Anytime you get into a fight with pirates on a station, they will undock a carrier to rep. Beli' dat.


mxzf wrote:

High Sec Wars and Towers - How often does this happen? And are you sure that it's an actual issue? And there's no way to express how stupid only having 23h of fuel in a POS would be, it would make highsec POSes MISERABLE to run


My apologies I did not mean fuel, I meant strontium. so you cannot have a reinforce cycle longer than the 24h it takes to circumvent the war declaration. It happens quite a lot if you attack anyones tower in high sec with ANY know how.

mxzf wrote:

Security Status and Low Security - Sec status gain for killing negative sec people makes sense, but keeping it from being exploitable would be tough


You lose money everytime you lose a ship, even if it is insured. And I'm not talking about large sec rises here and it should scale per ship size. So you would have to invest a fair amount of isk and effort to exploit it.
India99
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-03-21 00:23:47 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
"Gooder" is not a word.


it should be, because this clearly is a gooder thread


Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-21 00:54:09 UTC
Dez Affinity wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
"Gooder" is not a word.


Thanks for noticing, are you a Harvard Graduate?

Drake Draconis wrote:
these should be seperate proposals...and even then most of these have already been beaten to death.



You want me to make 20 threads? I CAN TOTALLY DO THAT IF THATS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. SHALL I DO THAT? PLEASE POST TO CONFIRM.


Aparently you lack the ability to "read between the lines" or "draw conclusions based on leading statements"

Your loss.

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-21 00:56:02 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:


Aparently you lack the ability to "read between the lines" or "draw conclusions based on leading statements"

Your loss.


There was only "one line" maybe you should type "more lines" so I can "properly deduce what you're trying to communicate"

If you don't like my thread you can "not post in it" or "kill yourself"
paik
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#10 - 2012-03-21 03:30:13 UTC
+1 like
Joyelle
SludgeSlingers
#11 - 2012-03-21 06:35:48 UTC
I like all these suggestions apart from the removal of ECM drones and removing login contact list.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-21 14:31:53 UTC
Nearly all of these proposals have been brought up before.

Some I like and mentioned as such in their respective threads.

Others I didn't and again mentioned why I disagreed with the proposal in the respective thread.

You can do a search and see what I put for each if you are bored and have nothing to drop your Titan on at the moment.