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Just had a guy try and kick down our door!

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ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#41 - 2012-03-20 13:41:21 UTC
ReptilesBlade wrote:
We are so happy this turned out to have a good ending.



Re-read the second to last sentence of the original post. I am physically disabled.
Congrats on both.
Everything turning out Ok and finding a proper wifey and not some damsel in distress like most other "real men" manage nowadays.

If you have the option definitely get a gun, especially in your "special" case. Her too.
A close quarters fight is ALWAYS big part lottery and the missing upper body strength of a woman IS a big negative factor. No matter what martial art she´s trained in or how well.

Especially when you´re up against intoxicated (alcohol or harder stuff) people who just don´t get when they´re beaten until joints are shattered or their heart stops beating.
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
#42 - 2012-03-20 15:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
I don't know where people got the idea that handguns are illegal in all of Europe. They're not. You just can't wave them around like you can in the US (and in fact, you can't really do that, neither in the US...people just think you can) and you have to keep them stored in a safe place, i.e., a gun locker. There is no "second amendment" here in Italy, but you CAN have a handgun if you get a handgun license. You must go through a rigorous psychological and medical evaluation and are allowed only to use them at gun ranges. You can even get a concealed weapon permit, but those are extremely difficult to obtain and you must have a valid reason for getting it.

In other words, you can't shoot bottles off your fence post in your back yard, but they're not ILLEGAL. Italy is actually one of the more strict countries on the matter, as well. Finland and Switzerland are two countries that come to mind as well.

This goes to show that the problem in the US is the ATTITUDE towards firearms, as well as the social situation there. I grew up in the US with firearms in my home, so I know what I'm talking about. Europeans going on about how terrible it is that you can have guns in the US don't even know their own laws, and Americans going on about how they should be able to shoot anyone who comes on their property don't know THEIR laws either. The problem in the US is that handguns are too easy to obtain, not the fact that they exist.

You can't just shoot anyone in the US in self-defense and not get into trouble. You will still be arrested. You will still go to court. You will probably be found not guilty by a jury if you were truly protecting your family or yourself, but get one thing clear: IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT AT *ANYONE* IN THE US, EVEN IN SELF-DEFENSE. If you shoot and kill someone breaking into your home, the police aren't going to come and say, "Oh, he was breaking into your home and you shot him? Ok, no harm, no foul." NO. They're going to arrest you and you will have to go through the legal process. Like I said, if it was truly in self-defense, you will probably be found not guilty...but that doesn't give you a free pass to start shooting at people.

If that's not good enough for you, stop playing Army and posing in the mirror and in pictures to put online, man up, and join the military if you're so gung-ho about killing people.
Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-03-20 17:16:01 UTC
Astenion wrote:
I don't know where people got the idea that handguns are illegal in all of Europe. They're not. You just can't wave them around like you can in the US (and in fact, you can't really do that, neither in the US...people just think you can) and you have to keep them stored in a safe place, i.e., a gun locker. There is no "second amendment" here in Italy, but you CAN have a handgun if you get a handgun license. You must go through a rigorous psychological and medical evaluation and are allowed only to use them at gun ranges. You can even get a concealed weapon permit, but those are extremely difficult to obtain and you must have a valid reason for getting it.

In other words, you can't shoot bottles off your fence post in your back yard, but they're not ILLEGAL. Italy is actually one of the more strict countries on the matter, as well. Finland and Switzerland are two countries that come to mind as well.

This goes to show that the problem in the US is the ATTITUDE towards firearms, as well as the social situation there. I grew up in the US with firearms in my home, so I know what I'm talking about. Europeans going on about how terrible it is that you can have guns in the US don't even know their own laws, and Americans going on about how they should be able to shoot anyone who comes on their property don't know THEIR laws either. The problem in the US is that handguns are too easy to obtain, not the fact that they exist.

You can't just shoot anyone in the US in self-defense and not get into trouble. You will still be arrested. You will still go to court. You will probably be found not guilty by a jury if you were truly protecting your family or yourself, but get one thing clear: IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT AT *ANYONE* IN THE US, EVEN IN SELF-DEFENSE. If you shoot and kill someone breaking into your home, the police aren't going to come and say, "Oh, he was breaking into your home and you shot him? Ok, no harm, no foul." NO. They're going to arrest you and you will have to go through the legal process. Like I said, if it was truly in self-defense, you will probably be found not guilty...but that doesn't give you a free pass to start shooting at people.

If that's not good enough for you, stop playing Army and posing in the mirror and in pictures to put online, man up, and join the military if you're so gung-ho about killing people.


Good post, thats the real issue with guns in the US. The fact they have them isn't a problem they just lack the social responsibility and legislation they need to own them safely.

Like the fact you can own a gun with no safety training or competence testing, they have driving tests for example. Cars are dangerous in the hands of the incompetent and the reckless just the same as guns, yet its so much easier to obtain a weapon.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-03-20 18:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Riedle
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You can't just shoot anyone in the US in self-defense and not get into trouble. You will still be arrested. You will still go to court. You will probably be found not guilty by a jury if you were truly protecting your family or yourself, but get one thing clear: IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT AT *ANYONE* IN THE US, EVEN IN SELF-DEFENSE. If you shoot and kill someone breaking into your home, the police aren't going to come and say, "Oh, he was breaking into your home and you shot him? Ok, no harm, no foul." NO. They're going to arrest you and you will have to go through the legal process. Like I said, if it was truly in self-defense, you will probably be found not guilty...but that doesn't give you a free pass to start shooting at people.


Not true.

Castle doctrine - it doesn;t even have to be for self defence reasons. In states that have passed the castle doctrine laws, or similar, you will NOT be charged for shooting someone that breaks into your home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine

It not only protects you from criminal arrest - a lot of states even protect you from civil actions

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As of 28 May 2010 31 States had some form of Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground law. Alabama,[11] Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,[12] South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah,[13] West Virginia and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Montana, Nebraska,[14] New Hampshire, Virginia, and Washington) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.[15][16][17]

Some of the states that have passed or are considering "stand your ground" laws already implement "stand your ground" principles in their case law. Indiana and Georgia, among other states, already had "stand your ground" case law and passed "stand your ground" statutes due to possible concerns of the case law being replaced by "duty to retreat" in later court rulings. Other states, including Washington, have "stand your ground" in their case law but have not adopted statutes; West Virginia had a long tradition of "stand your ground" in its case law[18] before codifying it as a statute in 2008. These states did not have civil immunity for self defense in their previous self defense statutes.


Sounds like you need to do a little research
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
#45 - 2012-03-21 09:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Sounds like you need to learn how to read.

"...applicable, in cases "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself or another. The doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked, but a set of principles which is incorporated in some form in the law of most states."

Just like I said before, this doesn't mean you can shoot anyone for walking onto your property. You must feel you are in imminent danger and fear for your life. This is the grey area. How do you prove what one was feeling under duress? You can't, and therefore you must side with the defense, which is why in most cases of self-defense, the police or prosecution side with the defense.

Maybe you don't understand the difference between "prosecution" and "arrest". You may not go to trial in all states, but in all states you will be taken into custody and questioned by the police until they can determine whether or not you're telling the truth. If there is any doubt on your part, they can and will prosecute you if they obtain enough evidence that you used excessive force. It's up to a jury or a judge in some cases to decide whether or not that is the case. Again, IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT AT PEOPLE IN THE US. If you don't believe that, you're an idiot. The Castle Doctrine takes into account LESS THAN EXCESSIVE force. If you are deemed to have used excessive force while protecting your home, you will be prosecuted.

Go ahead and shoot at someone on your property and see what happens if you don't believe me. While they're hauling your ass off to the station for questioning and/or jail, be sure to quote that Wikipedia article about the Castle Doctrine and see how much they care.
Victor Valka
Insterstellar Mining and Manufacturing
#46 - 2012-03-21 12:05:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Valka
ReptilesBlade wrote:
We just had a guy try and kick our door in and break into our apartment. He was turning on the knob and banging on the door, trying to kick the door down.

*snip*

He came very close to breaking the door down (the deadbolt was the ONLY thing keeping him out) and if he had it would have been the last thing he did. I did not and do not want to kill him but so help me God I would have.
Emphasis mine.

In my country, it's an unwritten standard that all entrances to an apartment or house accessible from public area shall have double doors and that at least the outer door shall be made from metal and have a reinforced frame. Inner door can be decorative but, more often then not, it isn't.

This is in Eastern Europe, where firearms are strictly controlled.

The fact that this doesn't seem to be the case everywhere has always baffled me. Could someone explain why this is? What?
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-03-21 13:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Riedle
Astenion wrote:
Sounds like you need to learn how to read.

"...applicable, in cases "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to himself or another. The doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked, but a set of principles which is incorporated in some form in the law of most states."

Just like I said before, this doesn't mean you can shoot anyone for walking onto your property. You must feel you are in imminent danger and fear for your life. This is the grey area. How do you prove what one was feeling under duress? You can't, and therefore you must side with the defense, which is why in most cases of self-defense, the police or prosecution side with the defense.

Maybe you don't understand the difference between "prosecution" and "arrest". You may not go to trial in all states, but in all states you will be taken into custody and questioned by the police until they can determine whether or not you're telling the truth. If there is any doubt on your part, they can and will prosecute you if they obtain enough evidence that you used excessive force. It's up to a jury or a judge in some cases to decide whether or not that is the case. Again, IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT AT PEOPLE IN THE US. If you don't believe that, you're an idiot. The Castle Doctrine takes into account LESS THAN EXCESSIVE force. If you are deemed to have used excessive force while protecting your home, you will be prosecuted.

Go ahead and shoot at someone on your property and see what happens if you don't believe me. While they're hauling your ass off to the station for questioning and/or jail, be sure to quote that Wikipedia article about the Castle Doctrine and see how much they care.



You stated that in ALL CASES someone will be charged for shooting someone in the USA.

I provided a clear case that this is not true despite your backtracking and obfuscating.

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You can't just shoot anyone in the US in self-defense and not get into trouble.


Umm.. quite clearly, you can shoot someone and not get into trouble. In Canada as well for that matter.

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You will still be arrested.

Ummm.. No, quite clearly in a lot of cases you will not be arrested.

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You will still go to court.

Ummm.. Nope. wrong again. You won't go to court if you are not arrested. lol

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You will probably be found not guilty by a jury if you were truly protecting your family or yourself, but get one thing clear: IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT AT *ANYONE* IN THE US, EVEN IN SELF-DEFENSE.


Nope - wrong again.


There are innumerable examples where an American citizen has shot and killed someone and they have not been arrested.
Again, what you stated is simply not true.
Astenion
Nephilim Coalition
#48 - 2012-03-21 21:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
Ok Riedle, I'm not going to argue with you over this. When you live in the US (which you don't), you go right ahead and shoot at someone on your property and see what happens. G'ahead. Tell us how it turns out, mmkay? Oh by the way, I lived in Louisiana, where you practically get a free gun with every fill-up at the gas station. When you get thrown in the holding cell for shooting at someone on your property, say hi to Leroy, Tameka, and Boudreaux for me.

You DO know that being arrested doesn't mean you go directly to jail, right? That's what I was getting at. You're still going to have to answer questions downtown at the police station and let the police determine whether or not it was self-defense. If it was indeed self-defense, then you can't be held liable. If it's not self-defense, you're fooked. Did ya get that? *YOU* don't determine whether or not it was self-defense.

I've handled firearms since I was 8 years old and have lived around the gun culture most of my life. But you know what? You go right ahead and believe what you want to believe, Mr. Wikipedia Lawyer. The thing that you can't get through your thick head is that just because they didn't go to prison doesn't mean what they did was legal. You've obviously never been to the south, much less lived there. You should keep it that way and continue playing internet lawyer inside your little bubble.

The fact of the matter is that the gun culture in the US is out of hand. I'm not for the banning of firearms, but there should be much stricter policies towards the purchase of firearms. As it stands right now, it's out of control; so much to the point that people like you actually believe you can go around shooting people in self-defense and not have to answer for it. I never said you'd go to prison if you shot someone in self-defense (which, btw, people HAVE gone to prison for doing so)...I said you'd be arrested because shooting at people is ILLEGAL. It's not just firearms...if you bash someone's head in for trespassing on your property, you used excessive force and you're probably gonna be prosecuted for it. For some reason, that just doesn't get through to you.

Come back when you can bring something to the table besides something you found on Wikipedia...like real, first-hand experience.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#49 - 2012-03-22 00:05:34 UTC
A staff? Indoors?

You gotta be kidding me?


Where you ready to take a full on madman assault? Probably not. I once did one, to a bunch of teenagers trying to block a road. There was 4 of them. Scared them aside because they didn't expect a charge. That's how combat is: intimidation.

The idiot would have charged in that door and the OP would have lost the initiative either from thinking "this can't be happening" or attempting to use that.... staff?

"IF" he got through that door the OP would have used the knives perhaps? Therein lies another problem: there was no decision to kill him. The drag of hesitation would have been fatal. You have to decide you are going to kill him and actually doing it becomes a formality.

And that Tae Kwon Do - strip mall martial arts - is useless in a close quarters brawl. The intruder would have had great fun with Mrs. OP.

The pathetic is written all over this so much that I wonder if this is a troll.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#50 - 2012-03-22 00:17:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
wut?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2012-03-22 00:18:03 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A staff? Indoors?

You gotta be kidding me?


Where you ready to take a full on madman assault? Probably not. I once did one, to a bunch of teenagers trying to block a road. There was 4 of them. Scared them aside because they didn't expect a charge. That's how combat is: intimidation.

The idiot would have charged in that door and the OP would have lost the initiative either from thinking "this can't be happening" or attempting to use that.... staff?

"IF" he got through that door the OP would have used the knives perhaps? Therein lies another problem: there was no decision to kill him. The drag of hesitation would have been fatal. You have to decide you are going to kill him and actually doing it becomes a formality.

And that Tae Kwon Do - strip mall martial arts - is useless in a close quarters brawl. The intruder would have had great fun with Mrs. OP.

The pathetic is written all over this so much that I wonder if this is a troll.



So replace the staff with a spear, strip down to a loincloth and don your sheild, cape, sandels and helm. When he knocks through the door and he finds a Spartan waiting on the other side I'm willing to bet he will run the **** away.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#52 - 2012-03-22 00:19:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A staff? Indoors?

You gotta be kidding me?


Where you ready to take a full on madman assault? Probably not. I once did one, to a bunch of teenagers trying to block a road. There was 4 of them. Scared them aside because they didn't expect a charge. That's how combat is: intimidation.

The idiot would have charged in that door and the OP would have lost the initiative either from thinking "this can't be happening" or attempting to use that.... staff?

"IF" he got through that door the OP would have used the knives perhaps? Therein lies another problem: there was no decision to kill him. The drag of hesitation would have been fatal. You have to decide you are going to kill him and actually doing it becomes a formality.

And that Tae Kwon Do - strip mall martial arts - is useless in a close quarters brawl. The intruder would have had great fun with Mrs. OP.

The pathetic is written all over this so much that I wonder if this is a troll.



So replace the staff with a spear, strip down to a loincloth and don your sheild, cape, sandels and helm. When he knocks through the door and he finds a Spartan waiting on the other side I'm willing to bet he will run the **** away.



I don't think I could be drunk enough if, doing a B&E, to ignore someone in underwear with a sword screaming "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!"


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2012-03-22 00:23:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



I don't think I could be drunk enough if, doing a B&E, to ignore someone in underwear with a sword screaming "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!"




When faced with an almost naked warrior one of two things are about to happen. The only difference between them is the type of spear they useBlink
Jade Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#54 - 2012-03-22 00:26:49 UTC
ReptilesBlade wrote:
We just had a guy try and kick our door in and break into our apartment. He was turning on the knob and banging on the door, trying to kick the door down. I had my wife call 911 while I stood by the door with my staff and two hunting knifes in hand. My wife was behind me ready to fight as well, she is a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and would have had easy access to my staff as well and a large filet knife. When the cops came, we saw the officer chase the guy down and take him out in cuffs. He was clearly extremely drunk and told the officer they were having a party upstairs. There was no party upstairs. We have been home since at least 7 PM and there have been no signs of a party anywhere in our building. The cops’ response to the guys excuse was "It's pretty darned quiet for a party."

He came very close to breaking the door down (the deadbolt was the ONLY thing keeping him out) and if he had it would have been the last thing he did. I did not and do not want to kill him but so help me God I would have.

They have taken him away in cuffs. I am still just trying to come down a bit from it. Christ, I am SO glad we're finally leaving this place... I don't think we will be getting much sleep tonight.

First thing Monday we are having that talk with the apt manager and I think we are going to find a way out of here on June 1st, not the 30th.

EDIT: To correct some confusion.

The staff was leaning up against the wall behind me. I put it there after I was able to quickly grab my second hunting knife.

It was staff and knife then dual knives with the staff in reserve.

It is a 54 inch tall hickory hiking staff. I use is as a cane sometimes because I am physically disabled.

My wife and I have had a discussion on buying a gun. She does not like them but it is going to be a reality as soon as financially possible.


That's when you use your man voice and shout "I've got a shotgun you dumb ****" through the door.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#55 - 2012-03-22 00:49:46 UTC
Oh good, in addition to your tinfoil hat paranoia we can add the fact that you're one of those people who {censored term for self-loving}s to the thought of "self defense" combat. Too bad you're still clueless.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A staff? Indoors?

You gotta be kidding me?


So I guess you're stalking this guy and know everything about his house, including things like whether or not the area around his door is large enough for him to swing a staff?

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"IF" he got through that door the OP would have used the knives perhaps? Therein lies another problem: there was no decision to kill him. The drag of hesitation would have been fatal. You have to decide you are going to kill him and actually doing it becomes a formality.


You know what we call that? First degree murder.

Also, we're talking about an angry drunk guy, not an expert assassin who will exploit even the slightest hesitation and kill you.

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And that Tae Kwon Do - strip mall martial arts - is useless in a close quarters brawl. The intruder would have had great fun with Mrs. OP.


"Strip mall martial arts" (I'll leave that debate for later) is still better than nothing. Don't forget that we're talking about an angry drunk guy, not a martial arts master trained in over a thousand ancient warrior traditions.

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The pathetic is written all over this so much that I wonder if this is a troll.


Or just someone who isn't a Certified Expert At Killing People In Hand To Hand Combat like you, who, when faced with a potentially dangerous situation, grabbed the closest weapon and did the best they could.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-03-22 01:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Riedle
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Ok Riedle, I'm not going to argue with you over this. When you live in the US (which you don't), you go right ahead and shoot at someone on your property and see what happens. G'ahead. Tell us how it turns out, mmkay? Oh by the way, I lived in Louisiana, where you practically get a free gun with every fill-up at the gas station. When you get thrown in the holding cell for shooting at someone on your property, say hi to Leroy, Tameka, and Boudreaux for me.


There is nothing to argue about. Despite your lame attempts to obfuscate and deflect - the fact of the matter is that you were simply wrong.
A little obnoxious too, but whatever, doesn't bother me.

You said that if you shoot someone, even in self defence, the fact is you will always be arrested.
That is factually incorrect

I quite simply corrected you and you have been foaming at the mouth ever since. lol

quite funny actually.

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You DO know that being arrested doesn't mean you go directly to jail, right? That's what I was getting at. You're still going to have to answer questions downtown at the police station and let the police determine whether or not it was self-defense. If it was indeed self-defense, then you can't be held liable. If it's not self-defense, you're fooked. Did ya get that? *YOU* don't determine whether or not it was self-defense.


That may be what you are getting at but it is certainly not what you said.

You said that it is "ILLEGAL TO SHOOT ANYONE IN THE USA FOR ANY REASON!!11!!" (IIRC lol) and that is simply not true in the USA nor is it true in Canada.

The fact is, there are certain legal permissions where a citizen IS allowed to shoot another human being, the castle doctrine just being one of these.

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I've handled firearms since I was 8 years old and have lived around the gun culture most of my life. But you know what? You go right ahead and believe what you want to believe, Mr. Wikipedia Lawyer. The thing that you can't get through your thick head is that just because they didn't go to prison doesn't mean what they did was legal. You've obviously never been to the south, much less lived there. You should keep it that way and continue playing internet lawyer inside your little bubble.


Fascinating, I'm sure. Do you always try to make it personal with someone who has proven you wrong? lol

You could have been a man about it and said, you know what? You're right. Instead you insist on making yourself look silly.
How do you ever learn anything if you refuse to admit when you make a mistake?

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The fact of the matter is that the gun culture in the US is out of hand. I'm not for the banning of firearms, but there should be much stricter policies towards the purchase of firearms. As it stands right now, it's out of control; so much to the point that people like you actually believe you can go around shooting people in self-defense and not have to answer for it. I never said you'd go to prison if you shot someone in self-defense (which, btw, people HAVE gone to prison for doing so)...I said you'd be arrested because shooting at people is ILLEGAL. It's not just firearms...if you bash someone's head in for trespassing on your property, you used excessive force and you're probably gonna be prosecuted for it. For some reason, that just doesn't get through to you.


I'm sure a psychologist would be happy to try and answer why you are so angry and worked up about this subject but I really don't care. I was just pointing out a factual error and you refuse to acknowledge the obvious. I don't care if you can face up to the fact that you were wrong or not - wait scratch that - this is more enteraining. :)

BTW - 'excessive force' is a judgement that self defence was unreasonable.

Shooting someone in self defence does not , by itself, equal 'excessive force'.

I think that is where you are (mainly) coming off the rails with your (LOL) 'argument'
A rudimentary understanding of law would go a long ways here. Unfortunately you do not seem to be in posession of any such thing. :(

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Come back when you can bring something to the table besides something you found on Wikipedia...like real, first-hand experience.


I provided a clear example and legislation of where a person CAN legally shoot another human. You refused to refute it instead preferring to personally attack me. Was good for a laugh but you just look silly.

I provide evidence and you provide anecdote.

have fun with that

lol

Toodles,

Mr Wikipedia Lawyer.

lols
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#57 - 2012-03-22 04:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Oh good, in addition to your tinfoil hat paranoia we can add the fact that you're one of those people who {censored term for self-loving}s to the thought of "self defense" combat. Too bad you're still clueless.

Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
A staff? Indoors?

You gotta be kidding me?


So I guess you're stalking this guy and know everything about his house, including things like whether or not the area around his door is large enough for him to swing a staff?

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"IF" he got through that door the OP would have used the knives perhaps? Therein lies another problem: there was no decision to kill him. The drag of hesitation would have been fatal. You have to decide you are going to kill him and actually doing it becomes a formality.


You know what we call that? First degree murder.

Also, we're talking about an angry drunk guy, not an expert assassin who will exploit even the slightest hesitation and kill you.

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And that Tae Kwon Do - strip mall martial arts - is useless in a close quarters brawl. The intruder would have had great fun with Mrs. OP.


"Strip mall martial arts" (I'll leave that debate for later) is still better than nothing. Don't forget that we're talking about an angry drunk guy, not a martial arts master trained in over a thousand ancient warrior traditions.

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The pathetic is written all over this so much that I wonder if this is a troll.


Or just someone who isn't a Certified Expert At Killing People In Hand To Hand Combat like you, who, when faced with a potentially dangerous situation, grabbed the closest weapon and did the best they could.


I'm glad to see you take such time to cover so many points with me.
I would have just shot the drunk through the door.

Please continue to be bothered.

You are almost correct about the knife thing though. It takes premeditation to use a knife, and if you are trained with a knife, knife fighting moves have a lot of what we call followup and finishing moves. And when I say finishing, I mean you finish the target. Some moves are so nasty even I squirm thinking about them.

But here is a secret: every blade instructor I know carries a gun. Why? Because if you went Conan the Barbarian on somebody, even in self defense, you would have a hard time explaining why, after your inner carotid strike followed by the j-cut and then that abdominal aorta lead into a perineum stab (that's in the balls man), you went and pulled the assailants head over and stuck the blade into his brain stem.

And I know people who can do every move I described faster than most people can shoot.

In my perspective, people who are not where they should be and doing things they should not must expect consequences. I know this is hard for the world of adult-sized children out there to accept. Used to be that a dumb person would starve over the winter or get eaten by a bear, so I can see that people are simply not used to consequences. This is why this game we play is a niche game with a high turnover rate and a lot of rage quitting.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#58 - 2012-03-22 05:05:23 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm glad to see you take such time to cover so many points with me.
I would have just shot the drunk through the door.


At least you're honest enough to admit that you wouldn't hesitate to murder someone, and that you have no defense for your idiotic arguments.

Quote:
Please continue to be bothered.


Please continue to be a paranoid sociopath.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#59 - 2012-03-22 05:07:43 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm glad to see you take such time to cover so many points with me.
I would have just shot the drunk through the door.


At least you're honest enough to admit that you wouldn't hesitate to murder someone, and that you have no defense for your idiotic arguments.

Quote:
Please continue to be bothered.


Please continue to be a paranoid sociopath.



I'm no a sociopath. I am being honest. Somebody commits a crime against my life, liberty, or property, they die. Sorry you can't handle that. Do you need a support group? Oprah Winfrey has her own channel I hear.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#60 - 2012-03-22 05:12:55 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm no a sociopath. I am being honest. Somebody commits a crime against my life, liberty, or property, they die. Sorry you can't handle that. Do you need a support group? Oprah Winfrey has her own channel I hear.


Killing someone because they committed a crime against your property = murder.

Shooting someone through the door when you could just wait for the police to arrive = murder.

Openly bragging about how you would murder people without any regrets = sociopath.