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Vanguard Incursion Damage Output
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Ted Lanore
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-19 02:21:30 UTC
Most of the Incursion setups I've seen require logistics though I'm curious as to whether running a high EHP AB setup on something like a Tengu would be viable without logistics leaving more room for damage ships. You can quite easily get 200K EHP on a Tengu going 661 M/S with 300 sig so I'm wondering if it's viable vs Vanguard sites, anyone tried it?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-19 02:25:21 UTC
No, it's not really viable. There's a reason that Logis are used.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-19 03:07:27 UTC
What if I had a fleet of 10 spider tanked Legions?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-03-19 03:16:00 UTC
I recall reading about ppl who multi-box 'solo' VGs. Not sure, tho, whether they used a single DPS ship and a fleet booster or what.

A well setup tengu can tank an awful lot and, given time, is able to kill most anything that eve-PvE will throw at it ... as long as it can keep some cap to work with. The NPCs in incursions hit you with scrams, neuts, and jammers (etc) ... so a solo tengu could pretty quickly find themselves in a world of hurt, and losing a high-tank tengu would bruise a lot of wallets.

I try, and sometimes succeed, soloing a lot of stupid things in my tengu ... but I have not tried a VG or higher incursion site. I looked at it a while ago and decided the risk of converting a lovely 3b+ isk ship into space-dust was way too high for me to want to try.

Of course, even if it can be done it's not going to be an efficient route to isk and if the system is anything but empty you'll be jumped and have the sites stolen by every half-decent fleet in system.

Do report-back if you decide to give it a try. I love to hear of ppl doing stuff that the conventional 'wisdom' says can't be done.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Removal Tool
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#5 - 2012-03-19 11:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Removal Tool
I'm not sure if what you mean is to solo a vanguard site, with just 1 ship, but:

300 sig + scram + web + neut + sometimes jam + high DPS from Vanguard rats = dead tengu

Also painfully slow

The only site it "might" work in is an NCO because there is no remote repper and depends on what spawn order you get. Nice orderly one after the other spawn and it "may" work. Highly doubtful though.

Damn expensive tengu needed.

If you try it let me know what system so I can watch, and salvage and loot your stuff, or applaud loudly if you manage to pull it off.

Also, you will get, maybe, 3 mil for completing the site and proportionately scaled loyalty points.

I'd say give it a go on the test server, but I'm guessing the Sansha Influence level there would always be 100% so it would never work.
Ted Lanore
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-19 16:18:32 UTC
My bad, the intention was to get a fleet of 10 Tengu's or similar ships like Drake/CNR if there aren't enough Tengu's then see if the buffer would last long enough to finish the site and re-charge what damage was taken before the next one.
Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-19 16:49:36 UTC
Ted Lanore wrote:
Most of the Incursion setups I've seen require logistics though I'm curious as to whether running a high EHP AB setup on something like a Tengu would be viable without logistics leaving more room for damage ships. You can quite easily get 200K EHP on a Tengu going 661 M/S with 300 sig so I'm wondering if it's viable vs Vanguard sites, anyone tried it?


For Vanguard sites, You do not need a 200k ehp..

For instance, My vindi has 80k ehp, With a Off Grid Booster ( Tengu with midlink ) I get my EHP Up to 105kehp, There is no way you need that much EHP for your tengu.

Try to train for a Machariel or vindicator etc to get into fleets alot easier, Regarding no having logi, It can be done yes, But do people have the commen sense and the know how.... Am afraid not.

Just run 10 dps with 2 logi, Thats how we run our fleets 10/2 works fantastic.

But you NEED a OGB


Regards

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#8 - 2012-03-19 17:34:11 UTC
I wouldn't go with solo tank, just use rr t3s and have everyone orbit within transfer range. You'll still get your full fleet of dps. Although having dedicated logis makes grinding a lot simpler.

I still think it would be fun to run a 11-12 person rr marauder fleet, just can't find enough marauder pilots on at any one time...
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#9 - 2012-03-19 23:41:52 UTC
Removal Tool wrote:
I'm not sure if what you mean is to solo a vanguard site, with just 1 ship, but:

300 sig + scram + web + neut + sometimes jam + high DPS from Vanguard rats = dead tengu

Also painfully slow

The only site it "might" work in is an NCO because there is no remote repper and depends on what spawn order you get. Nice orderly one after the other spawn and it "may" work. Highly doubtful though.

Damn expensive tengu needed.

If you try it let me know what system so I can watch, and salvage and loot your stuff, or applaud loudly if you manage to pull it off.

Also, you will get, maybe, 3 mil for completing the site and proportionately scaled loyalty points.

I'd say give it a go on the test server, but I'm guessing the Sansha Influence level there would always be 100% so it would never work.



I think with payout scaling a solo vanguard would payout <2 million but I have NEVER heard of someone soloing a VG single handedly
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#10 - 2012-03-20 00:56:31 UTC
Ted Lanore wrote:
Most of the Incursion setups I've seen require logistics though I'm curious as to whether running a high EHP AB setup on something like a Tengu would be viable without logistics leaving more room for damage ships. You can quite easily get 200K EHP on a Tengu going 661 M/S with 300 sig so I'm wondering if it's viable vs Vanguard sites, anyone tried it?


The Sanshas have MWD fitted interceptors which scram and web. Then you get neuted, painted, and shot out of the sky. You could conceivably have the Tengus fitted for damage against small targets (rigor rigs, webs) and take out the webifiers first. But then you get the webbing, scramming, painting battleships.

Once you get range you should be fine. But that time you just wasted taking out the interceptors means a shiny fleet just arrived to contest your site.

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Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-20 02:06:18 UTC
A vanguard site puts out up to approximately 2500dps. This is about the equivalent of a non-escalated C5 site. The big difference between a C5 and a vanguard site is the vanguard rats tend to get closer than the sleepers do, and the players generally can get more people available. This means that any site can be tanked with 2 5/1 basilisks as long as the rest of the fleet has at least 70% resists.

When they first came out, some people tried spider repping the vanguard sites, but this was pretty much dropped due to the reduced DPS that RR tends to do as opposed to straight buffer/logi.

-Arazel
Vrykolakasis
Sparrowhawks Corp
#12 - 2012-03-20 04:01:36 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

I think with payout scaling a solo vanguard would payout <2 million but I have NEVER heard of someone soloing a VG single handedly


Confirming that soloing things single-handedly is the best way to solo things.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2012-03-20 08:27:57 UTC
Doesn't matter if you can get 10 tengus to work.
The faction battleship and t3 turret based ships will still kick your tengu fleet's arse everyday.
Sorry for those news. Sad
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
#14 - 2012-03-20 17:09:00 UTC
I wouldn't do it in a tengu, but it is doable in theory. Mind you the closest I ever came was on sisi using 2 cap chaining marauders using crystals and an off grid tengu booster, though the marauders themselves had slots left over for webs and were only using t2 mods, so you could undoubtedly achieve better results with some faction pimping.

Not sure why you would though, you'd get better results multiboxing and if you're doing it for bragging rights, coming to the forums to ask for help undermines that somewhat.
Geoscape
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-21 12:05:43 UTC
If you decide to try soloing a vanguard, do upload a vid of the attempt so that i can laugh at you.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#16 - 2012-03-21 17:20:08 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Vrykolakasis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

I think with payout scaling a solo vanguard would payout <2 million but I have NEVER heard of someone soloing a VG single handedly


Confirming that soloing things single-handedly is the best way to solo things.



lol caught me

I've finished a VG NMC site on my own sort of before. We started out with 5 ships in solitude & since it was a pocket incursion we couldn't get more ships... & towards the end 1 of the 2 logi had to leave due to a work emergency ( his lunch break was up :) I stayed in site in my abaddon versus the last romi & killed it with less then 10% armor left. The rest of the fleet ( we were down to 3 players ) came back in & we ended up mining the rock for lyavite.
I recall 1 Sansha mining rat did get me into structure but just barely & I was not worried
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'