Warfare & Tactics

I gotta ask, has PL never lost a Titan before? Was this titan kill really all that unique? BC shows 17 titan losses (?)

But otherwise yeah. IMO, the large alliances have filled in all the evolutionary niches and there really is nowhere for newer groups of players to grow into without sucking up and being co-opted by the existing powers. I think the last really new alliance that had a chance was something like four years ago (Foom). After them, newer null sec alliances seem to be just reformations of other dead alliances.

Freedom can be found in low sec and NPC null sec, where established multi-thousand member powerblocks have not blocked people from access to space, resources and fun. There is still plenty of "open space" to do what you want without worrying about 50 man titan gangs crowding you out.

And there's plenty of drama in low sec, but most of it is just for lols.

Well, there's a fair few differences between sov ppl and us.

To start with, we are (were ?) off the radar. That is one of the reasons we didn;t even try and batphone anyone for the escalation. While some FW caps moving around lowsec can be undetected with a bit of luck, a CFC or -A- cap formup would be spotted instantly. Not to mention that prolly CFC would've sold us to PL and shared the gank on our dreads, cos they are cool bros like that :)

Another aspect that allowed us to keep this a secret is that most of us are flying together for two or three years. So when I convo a corpmate and tell him to have his dread ready on friday at 21:00 he's not gonna ask for extra details, or suddenly go afk.

The second issue is that we have little to lose. Yes they might actively hunt us for a while, yes we might derp a few caps in to them in the future, but in the end they really can't kick us out of Nisuwa or Kamela. FW missions are still reasonable isk and any of us can replace a dread in a few afternoons of bearing .

And last but not least, the nullsec population is made of empire builders (or as a corpmate put it, of rl accountants) . THey want to build stuff, to improve stuff, etc. They rat, whore sanctums, go to CTA in their drake, the full package. We, the lowsec dwellers, are in it just to set **** on fire. So where they look to keep things quiet to help their empire progress, we look at how to make things go boom. I don't want to imply that one playstyle is better than the other, just trying to point out that where we charge like unstoppable morons, the nullsec ppl would look and wonder "well, now, what's the benefit of throwing **** in the fan ?"

If it were a war of attrition (like Nullsec should be) we'd be screwed, but as a one off gank to gain some knowledge and experience it is a great endeavour. Something certainly most lowsec pvpers haven't experienced.

And it is not that null alliances couldn't do it, it is just that they won't because it doesn't serve any purpose for them since losing that many caps may leave them temporarily vulnerable afterwards. Generally the null alliances are more risk adverse since they believe they have more to lose. It is a pity as it appears the null endgame has become a supercap building race with everyone afraid to fall behind by actually losing some.

*cough* then there's Russians and RMT.

Your math is off with the "9 Trillion", way off.

And 50 Dreads doesn't sound like that bad a trade to me tbh.

You're saying that spies will know about your plans and that Titans will never leave pos shields? Well, you're probably right they will - but you know what? Work with it, instead of whining about it. And frankly, if they don't bring all they've got against your 500 Dreads then you can jump and reinforce Tech Moons front, rear, left, right and center to the point where you can end up with every pilot having instantly 5 replacement Dreads ready to go. And don't imply now that i'm saying deploying 500 Dreads optimally in combat is easy - its not - but that's a problem i'm sure you, awesome 0.0 guys, can come up with a solution to

Granted you'd have to get off the "Supercarrier/Titan Train" and start actually focusing on Dread production and churn dozens of Dreads out per day.

But then again, just a FW noob, so what the hell do i know

What people don't seem to realize, or not want to realize (whatever applies), is that with 300 (or 500) Dreads you'd have the bigger gun at your disposal. (300 proper dreads are 4 million DPS ; 500 dreads are closer to 6.5 million DPS)

Use it properly and lay pain and suffering to sizeable Supercarrier/Titan fleets.

And that's an argument outside of your "All-or-nothing or strategic objective" scenarios.

Also you tend to find that us low sec dwellers, particulalry us in FW are simply here just to pew pew and have very little interest in empire building but are only interested in shooting people in the face all day every day.

A fairly decent sized proportion of us also have done the 0.0 thing and have very little interest in being part of that type of gameplay (each to their own, not saying its better or worse generally).

Depends on what you mean by that sort of game play.

Sure, the cta's can be frustrating at times. Other than to fill the wallet you can be out roaming 23/7 .....or blobbing someone, or just gate camping or what have you.

I like it just fine really.

You are talking a perfect world scenario. There is simply nothing in this game that stops me from making a power of two account skilling him up and joining a red corp, or yours or FIRST GENERAL'S. If you want to get fancy with security I have enough machines to spoof the IPs and run the clients so that there is no trace between my main and my spy.

The simple fact is that even in a 3000 man Alliance, this is eve, that may be 1000 unique players and of them a 2/3 are at work or school or a sleep ect. Sure the numbers are cool and all, but when the rubber meets the road realistic numbers are signifcantly lower than everyone bandies about. How many single account players do you know personally? I know like three.

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Big groups have too many open doors. Would of course mean a super amount of work for someone, but as long as its not me...

Not to mention crashing the oxytope and heiltope markets moving around......not arguing that one lol.




Yeah, basically, I've have super blobs that included 45 titans dropped on me. That is enough pew with short range ammo to two shot a sieged dread, and alpha an unsieged.....per cycle. With a 200 man dread fleet you loose 25% of your DPS every ten minutes to DDs, even unsieged on an undock you loose say 25 ships on turrets 45 more to DDs....at the end of a minute and a half you don't have many dreads left.

....and that is ignoring all of the moms that come along for the ride.

You would think that it would be a DPS race, but the Titans can be repped, not so much a dread, at least a dread doing full DPS.

Like I said the idea of a dread swarm isn't new, if it was a better answer, I'm sure more people would be doing it.