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Issler Dainze for CSM7! Hear the bears roar!

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Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#901 - 2012-03-20 23:17:20 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#902 - 2012-03-21 00:51:21 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity.


Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.

You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"?

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy
Caldari State
#903 - 2012-03-21 00:53:06 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.

So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.

You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.

Issler Dainze
The miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that.

I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mainsShocked) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting.

If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign.

The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base.

You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#904 - 2012-03-21 01:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
[quote=Issler Dainze
But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity
[/quote

Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.

You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"



Can you cite where I called it a waste of time for you? I said for the campaign I chose to run it would have been a waste of time for ME!

Why are you flogging this dead horse

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret

But what I said to you and about you, I stand by every word. If you can't even work something like this out you have no chance of being effective in the CSM 7

The election is over, I'm sure you did well, What on earth do you expect now

You said that this would someday damage someone's political future, how do you seeing this last post of yours making you look any better? What on earth is the point

Get a grip Hans, move along, nothing to see here....

Folks, for the record, at this point the voting is closed!! I have just completed graciously posting a sincere wish of good luck to all the candidates I would like to see in the CSM 7. That included Hans. I even suggested that he will finish 4th

Hans, you can take the high road, accept its over (it is no matter what you decide) and put this behind you or you can continue being an asshat and demanding in a pointless fashion something you will never get from me

If I was facing those two choices, I know which one I'd choose as well as which one makes me look less obsessed with being right in the future and who might be better suited at working through challenging personalities that may be part of the CSM 7

So you pick, I have nothing to lose, the election is a done deal, we'll see what the votes say but is you want to rant back and forth, have at it. I've gotten very used to it after 7 months of defending ambulation

Serioulsy Hans, you looked to have done great, let go and be happy with that.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#905 - 2012-03-21 01:36:44 UTC
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.

So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.

You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.

Issler Dainze
The miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that.

I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mainsShocked) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting.

If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign.

The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base.

You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about.


Go on, you are most impressive...... Even after the election is over you just can't stop yourself.... so sure.. post away!

Issler
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy
Caldari State
#906 - 2012-03-21 02:07:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Barnabas O'Malley
This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.

It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.

And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#907 - 2012-03-21 02:10:00 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret


Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?

Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?

Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?

Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#908 - 2012-03-21 02:15:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret


Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?

Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?

Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?

Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.


If you read my last response to Hans I made it clear you were the one poster I was sad to have disappointed...

"Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret"

So I apologize to YOU.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#909 - 2012-03-21 02:17:10 UTC
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:
This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.

It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.

And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you.


Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever.......

How can I go on....

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#910 - 2012-03-21 02:22:25 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret


Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?

Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?

Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?

Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.



I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.

Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.

Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here.

Issler
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#911 - 2012-03-21 02:29:57 UTC
Breakin' da triplepost
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#912 - 2012-03-21 02:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Issler Dainze wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret


Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?

Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?

Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?

Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.



I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.

Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.

Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here.

Issler


Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated. Roll

Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my mediation to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#913 - 2012-03-21 02:59:42 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.

Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.



You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away.

Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference.

I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#914 - 2012-03-21 03:33:08 UTC
Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#915 - 2012-03-21 03:55:18 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.

Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.



You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away.

Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference.

I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.




Yes, keeping this up doesn't make you look at all crazy.......

Dude, its over, lets see how we did. I do wish you good luck. Last time I'm going to say that to you.

I offered to do what you asked (do I need to post the email too?) and you went all mental before I could.

Issler
(no need to keep a long sig)
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#916 - 2012-03-21 04:01:19 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret


Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?

Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?

Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?

Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.



I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.

Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.

Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here.

Issler


Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated. Roll

Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my mediation to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter.


Peacemaker for may errors, I see one that was an easy one to make and I admitted it and apologized for it..

You might see if you can get Hans to start taking his space madness meds again, he doesn't seem capable of stopping himself.

Again, Grumpy Owly, you show yourself reasoned and level headed, thanks for that, if you know a way to get Hans to believe I am sincere in my wish of good luck to him you would be my hero.

I've conceded all I intend to, so unless folks just want to badger there really isn't a lot more to hope for from me, unless you really are here for the argument clinic...

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#917 - 2012-03-21 04:02:35 UTC
Galatica789 wrote:
Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(


First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#918 - 2012-03-21 04:03:19 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Breakin' da triplepost


Why thanks for that!

Issler
Galatica789
Victory or Whatever
Nourv Gate Security Commission
#919 - 2012-03-21 04:05:45 UTC
I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#920 - 2012-03-21 04:07:56 UTC
Galatica789 wrote:
I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone


You are actually very wrong on a lot of levels.

Issler