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Serious Post Questioning ISD's role

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Tear Miner
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-20 23:28:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Miner
Player volunteer systems are [almost] never a good idea. If you want some precedence look no further than Ultima Online's troubles with class action lawsuits, general power abuse scandals, etc. Also, Asheron's Call's AEGIS program was shutdown for similar reasons (not sure about any lawsuits though.)

I've seen [one mistep in] judgement in forum moderation. And while this may seem like a small & minor issue, it [should be discussed].
No1ne
Braaaaap Squad
#2 - 2012-03-20 23:30:17 UTC
/signed
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-03-20 23:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Tear Miner wrote:
Player volunteer systems are never a good idea. If you want some precedence look no further than Ultima Online's class action lawsuits, general power abuse scandals, etc. Also, Asheron's Call's AEGIS program was shutdown for similar reason (not sure about any lawsuits though.)

Instead of enriching the game, so far I've just seen ISD using poor judgement in forum moderation. And while this may seem like a small & minor issue, it's more than likely just the tip of the iceberg.

ISD is a lot more than just forum mods

leveraging volunteers as bughunters (ECAID) or to help/educate new players (STAR) has no obvious drawbacks imo

don't know much about YARR and don't care about Mercury or IC but lumping all of ISD together with one annoying forum mod seems kinda unfair.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2012-03-20 23:32:19 UTC
My only problem is that forum bans aren't handed out enough.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-03-20 23:34:41 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
My only problem is that forum bans aren't handed out enough.

Mr Epeen Cool


I can understand why obvious spam threads are locked, but when a post that is Eve related is censored, there's an example of poor judgement. One could also argue the forum was made worse by said poor judgement.
Ai Shun
#6 - 2012-03-20 23:35:54 UTC
Florestan Bronstein wrote:
ISD is a lot more than just forum mods

leveraging volunteers as bughunters (ECAID) or to help/educate new players (STAR) has no obvious drawbacks imho


It would work well if they knew the subject matter and had some guidelines to follow. After all, it does free up some development / community support / GM resources for other, more important tasks. And one would expect players who volunteer to know some of the game at least. A recent example makes me wonder if that is the case for all of them though.
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#7 - 2012-03-20 23:36:28 UTC
Can they actually ban? Just thinkin of this Oni Mawaha(whatever his name was) that spamed the forum just recently. All his threads got locked, but he just made more. Thats a little awkward, why not delete them and ban this guy?

Yay 10 years! :D
Xenophon Zateki
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-03-20 23:37:57 UTC
Surprised they haven't locked this thread because of "Discussion of forum moderation."

What kind of rule is that, anyway?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-20 23:38:06 UTC
Azure Moonlight wrote:
Can they actually ban? Just thinkin of this Oni Mawaha(whatever his name was) that spamed the forum just recently. All his threads got locked, but he just made more. Thats a little awkward, why not delete them and ban this guy?


I believe they have to escalate to take any kind of punitive action against accounts.

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Tear Miner
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-20 23:46:08 UTC
Xenophon Zateki wrote:
Surprised they haven't locked this thread because of "Discussion of forum moderation."

What kind of rule is that, anyway?


I was trying to be as general as possible so as not to mention any specific cases, but I think the original incident of locking the post that was in fact Eve related does warrant some discussion, so long as its constructive and civil. As for all the other reactionary spam posts, yeah those should be locked.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#11 - 2012-03-20 23:53:55 UTC
Players are already the Q&A department, the marketing department, the primary beta testers for Twilight Online and lolmoney bags to keep the Vikings in buckets of coke.

These forums are cesspit at best, nothing a player could do would change that.
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-21 00:04:52 UTC
their locking again. hurry
Simple Miner
Jade Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#13 - 2012-03-21 00:09:31 UTC
banning CSM candidates too!
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2012-03-21 00:16:04 UTC
I have no problem with a thread like this existing. if you want to question why certian bodies exist, you are more than welcome to do so.

If you think that you can use this thread as a bashing platform or an area to insult people who give their free time to help everyone in EVE, that is not going to fly.

As long as this thread is constructive and polite then it can remain open. Once that is no longer the case, it will be locked.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-03-21 00:22:53 UTC
my main is on its 2nd ban for using the world ****** about the general eve community. I can live with that otherwise it would just completely break down into all out youtube style abuse.


The only things i dont like are mods moving threads that are in one section to another without reading them or basing them just on the title. Unless they are severely overworked they need to stop being so lax as its annoying as hell


Thats me done

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Jade Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#16 - 2012-03-21 00:24:56 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
I have no problem with a thread like this existing. if you want to question why certian bodies exist, you are more than welcome to do so.

If you think that you can use this thread as a bashing platform or an area to insult people who give their free time to help everyone in EVE, that is not going to fly.

As long as this thread is constructive and polite then it can remain open. Once that is no longer the case, it will be locked.


He locked a post that was in no way, shape or form unrelated to EVE. And then proceeded to repeatedly lock people trying to link said video, which by the way, was hilarious and celebrated the game.

Just because someone gives up his free time does not mean he deserves my respect. He has to DO A GOOD JOB to get that.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-21 00:28:16 UTC
I think that it would be nice if there was some venue for reporting chat channel problems. For example, often the conversation in the Help channel devolves into something that has nothing to do with help, and actual legitimate questions from people who need assistance/advice are ignored in the flood of retardation. Personally, I would like to have the ISDs available to pop into a channel and act upon a complaint (but of course, there's no good way of reporting chat bullshittery in game).
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-03-21 00:34:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tear Miner
I had a lot of fun anyhow, I may have disagreed with ISD Eshtir with the intial lock on the Eve CQ Hadaway video, but I'm glad to see CCP being cool. This is why I play this game, because CCP is probably the coolest MMO dev team around.

PS: I'm going to edit the title of my OP, because I feel it is a bit too harsh.

PPS: I still <3 you ISD as well! You guys need to bring back some more live events! :)
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2012-03-21 00:52:15 UTC
I agree with OP and the rest.
If that video was not eve related, then all the facebook pictures on the EVE fanpage are not eve-related either....
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#20 - 2012-03-21 01:00:57 UTC
IIRC, UO got rid of the player volunteers because they were just that, volunteers, and someone filed a lawsuit because they wanted money.

Yeeee! 
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