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Obvious Avoiding war decs exploit is still an obvious exploit.
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Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#61 - 2012-02-28 00:14:53 UTC
Hesser Mech wrote:
At what point in time did you decide putting more risk and high security in the same sentence did not contradict yourself? There are low sec versions of all of these things that take place where people are rewarded for their risk in doing them. Why not worry about them if adding risk to lucrative activities is what you are looking for? Or why not just make the argument we should move all of these activities to low sec since you have decided they are too lucrative for high sec?


Different risk, not more risk. I suggest PvP risk in L4's, incursions, etc. instead of war decs, not in addition to them. High sec then becomes much safer for new or very casual players, and riskier for all those ISK grinding alts in NPC corporations.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#62 - 2012-02-28 00:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
OP, why don't you stop being a friggen panty sniffer and come out to lowsec to pvp with us? This place is dreadfully empty of targets. You don't have to worry about wardecs or none of that crap. At this point I'll attack anything that jumps in here, and I'll be kind enough to even let non-indy's get off the gates. The great thing is you don't even have to get me to aggro first or worry about losing your precious sec status since I'm blinky red.

I know it seems like it's fun to do nothing but blow up furry carebears, but if you really want to learn to pvp come and fight those of us who will actually give you a goodfight. OP, convo me in game. I'll be happy to pewpew with you!
Jake McCord
Greater Metropolis Sanitation Service
#63 - 2012-02-28 00:44:56 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
U mad bro? LOL

Stupid puns aside, ccp knows war decs have issues. There are additional exploits, such as people dropping corp, lying in system, then joining corp to spring a trap. Basically, this is an exploit that us often used by the agressor in the war dec. Since there are issues in both sides, ccp seems content to run neither as an exploit, reducing the petition load on the gms. This will remain as such until they can devote time and resources to properly fix the issue.

So you are stuck, deal with it. And if you don't like it... Go find another mmo that allows declaring war on people.

As an alternative, try faction warfare. Still a bit glitches, but it might work.

I thought they declared that is an exploit, didn't they???

They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way! Did I mention, I used to live in Chicago?
Souvera Corvus
Buena Vista Social Club.
#64 - 2012-02-28 02:25:30 UTC
The vast majority of these decs are for grief and the vast majority of the corps who issue them do so in the belief that they're going after carebears. They don't expect any opposition, they expect easy ganks and a nice payoff to lift the dec. That kind of mentality deserves 'war-dec shields'.

They want a risk-free ( for them) grief environment where they are guaranteed to be at the top of the food chain.

And the OP's conception of low-sec is so far removed from the truth I suggest he's gotten as far as 0.5 or been hugely unfotrunate in his choice of gateway system.

Dutarro wrote:
Different risk, not more risk. I suggest PvP risk in L4's, incursions, etc. instead of war decs, not in addition to them. High sec then becomes much safer for new or very casual players, and riskier for all those ISK grinding alts in NPC corporations.


Do you really believe this utter garbage?
T'Pawhl
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-03-18 20:44:44 UTC
Quote:
What we do is obviously an exploit


I once suggested that things like the Ice Interdiction and Hulkageddon and constantly renewing WarDecs to prevent others from playing are "griefing". The response was "CCP makes the rules, and they don't consider it griefering, therefore it's not."

I now see that response was correct.

You may think it's an exploit, but since this is CCP's game, they define the terms, not you.

Quote:
While the tears of griefers are amusing, we don't want to drive people out of the game.


You'll just drive "average" players out of the game.

Quote:
We agree with you on all accounts though. The Inferno expansion coming up is solely designed to completely revamp faction warfare and wardec mechanics. We have it from the word of the chariman of the CSM, The Mittani that CCP are working on changing wardec rules to prevent what Dec Shield does.


Credibility lost at the word "Mittani".
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#66 - 2012-03-19 20:34:22 UTC
Theres no exploit here thanks for the post.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2012-03-19 23:16:28 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
It's like they're watching how I play the game and removing anything I might actually consider fun.

And pray tell, what is it you consider fun? Based on your responses from your alliance and yourself on this thread grief play is where your fun is to be had. But I'll let you excuse yourself with this one here.

You seem to make sense of thinking you have the right to be happy by making others miserable and your right supersedes anyone else's. To you the meaning of sandbox is your sand and your box. You cry because the options that are available isn't sand that benefits your demented pleasures of grief play.

With you guys (OP and majority of supporters) someone always has to be doing the crying. If it isn't your targets then it's you.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-03-20 21:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Devore Sekk
Plus 1 wrote:
War decs don't force people to play the way the deccer wants. There are different ways of dealing with them or avoiding them in the first place. How the deccee deals with it is still their choice.

You missed the most important part of my post: EVE has made it where it is by being the opposite of the way you seem to want it to be.


And yet here you are wanting to limit the ways a deccee has for dealing with a dec.

High sec warbears want easy ganks and risk free isk from ransoms and payoffs. They talk about gudfites and small gangs, but as soon as a deccee presents a credible threat, perhaps by hiring mercs at great expense, they run away, play stupid station games, and use neutral RRs. This thread is spawned by people who set out daily to derive enjoyment by ruining other players' game experience, but have the tables turned on them constantly, so like all victims of EVE mechanics, they come to the forums to complain.
Rao Kappa
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-03-20 22:11:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rao Kappa
Just admit it OP. You don't want good fights, you just want to gank. If you wanted good fights, there's two whole regions of space you can utilize to your heart's content to get those 'skill filled' battles you and similar posters of threads like these look for.

The truth, like others have pointed out, is that you want Eve to be a sandbox that operates by your rules, and any rules that do not coincide with your narrow vision must either be A) exploits or B) More effort by CCP to satisfy 'carebears.'

Here is the truth about the sandbox:

Eve is a harsh world, but it is also a harsh world comprised of PvE, PvP, and many other forms of playstyle. In a true sandbox, all are valid forms of enjoyment, and all carry their own versions of risk and reward.

CCP went as far to consturct different areas of space that cater to these types of playstyles, and were easy enough to navigate that one could jump between them freely should he choose. The true sandbox is that all styles are as valid as the other, and all can benefit from the use of the rules in the system to protect and support their playstyles and assets. Some will do so through industry, some will do so through pvp, and some, yes OP, will do so through the aspect of game play that insults you so.

This isn't YOUR sandbox, this is OUR sandbox, and frankly, I find it amusing that 'carebears' have outwitted the foxes with this mechanic so much that now the foxes are whining. Where once they thought they could accumulate carebear tears, the only ones they're harvesting are their own.

Are the mechanics in need of adjusting? Yes, I believe so, but I also find humor in the fact that you fly by not fighting fair, and now you're angry because your targets figured out they don't have to fight fair either.

As I'm sure you've said many times before to some carebear you blasted into oblivion when the tears fell like rain, let me now reiterate to you...

HTFU or GTFO
YUMAD BRO
ZZ Cow
#70 - 2012-03-20 23:05:52 UTC
WOW look at all the whiny little Btches in this thread....



WE ARE COMING FOR YOU CAREBEARS


YOU WILL NEVER BE SAFE NO MATTER WHAT CCP DOES.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA





Tards
Ohh Yeah
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#71 - 2012-03-20 23:18:01 UTC
C0SMIC GIRL wrote:
0.0 has nothing to offer solo pvpers or small gangs, its great place to be if your in a decent size alliance...


hi can I recommend to u this website

it helped me become a solo fighter in 0.0 space

its called

EVEISEASY.com
Aggressive Nutmeg
#72 - 2012-03-20 23:19:18 UTC
YUMAD BRO wrote:
WOW look at all the whiny little Btches in this thread....



WE ARE COMING FOR YOU CAREBEARS


YOU WILL NEVER BE SAFE NO MATTER WHAT CCP DOES.




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA





Tards

Some excellent points there. Thanks for your contribution.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#73 - 2012-03-20 23:56:07 UTC
Derrick'DelBoy'Tr0tter wrote:
I also agree with the op. +1

Carebears of eve... enjoy your shallow victory for now. Hulkageddon awaits.



Hulkageddon is 2-3 months past due if it isn't starting soon it'll just go bad like spilt milk. anywayz ganking miners right now is like beating a dead horse IMHO
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Andrea Griffin
#74 - 2012-03-21 00:33:13 UTC
War dec avoidance is lame, agreed.

However, lowsec has been very entertaining every since I joined Faction Warfare. I've been getting a good amount of solo and small gang action there, sometimes with total strangers. I'm really enjoying it. Plus, nothing says you can't take other "targets of opportunity" if they're available. : >

If you're having trouble getting that kind of action in other places, it's at least worth giving FW a try for a few weeks.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-03-21 01:09:02 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
I am Dec Shield. I completely agree with the original poster. What we do is obviously an exploit, and we have challenged CCP to change the rules to prevent what we've been abusing. We have contacted the CSM and pushed for change as well. Harvesting rage ingame and on the forums has been a strategic move to raise awareness of how broken the current wardec mechanics are. All of this has been part of a massive group effort by the playebase to evoke positive change in wardec mechanics in Eve.

While the tears of griefers are amusing, we don't want to drive people out of the game. We agree with you on all accounts though. The Inferno expansion coming up is solely designed to completely revamp faction warfare and wardec mechanics. We have it from the word of the chariman of the CSM, The Mittani that CCP are working on changing wardec rules to prevent what Dec Shield does.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=792435#post792435

Our collective effort to improve the game is nearly upon us. Soon we'll be able to hang up the alliance and everyone can go back to war as it was originally intended.


Excellent.
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#76 - 2012-03-21 13:29:40 UTC
Sorry to say so, but 999 out of 1000 of those wannabe-pirates in low and hisec have a brain smaller than the fist of a dwarf-mouse. Hell, even a fart of a mouse has a higher IQ.

I consider those "pirates" in highsec as exploiters. Ban them. No hisec pirates, no problem on war decs. Its that easy. Nobody would miss them. And lowsec isnt dangerous as long as u dont make mistakes. If i loose a ship, i do. If to a pirate or to an NPC, is not important, besides that the pirate who got me, must have been good. The last 30 trials to engage me ended in my classic message over local.

"Go home, noob."

Cheers
Amiar
The Fiction Factory
#77 - 2012-03-21 13:56:04 UTC
I must agree on the part where CCP needs to go in and see about "dec-shield" but then again, how many of these so called "griefers" aint there in highsec? You can't even fart for one day and you have 30 corps all over you which says: DIE CAREBEAR!
So no wonder the bears have found this way and considering there are more mechanics in favor of the agressor its only fair the miners can do one thing against them.

I pity the folks who goes highsec with a mentality of ganking bears then brag about their kb when in fact it equals to no pvp at all to shoot a defenless miner nor a mission runner who might already be busy with a mission. Not to mention the pussy tactics of using neut RR, leaving corp and re-joining when player least expect it etc etc?

But when the bears halt your gankings you go whine?
I dont post much on these forums but i've read much and i tell you, highsec griefers not mercs or real pirates but griefers, that they are the ones i've seen most whining from on these forums.

Another thing i've often fought about regarding gankers, griefers. Where do they get there isk in general? Carebearing on an alt i take it?

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#78 - 2012-03-21 18:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Just ot let you know something about Rebirth. as a corp.

We lives in empire and we do alot of war decs there. But even then, we see some very few times that corps'es are leaving the alliances we war dec or corps'es are leaving the corp for another corp we have war dec'ed. So it's not really an issue for us.

Because those we war dec are corps'es / alliances we know who will fight back. We don't go after mining corps'es as long it's not from a contractor that want's us to kill miners.

But then, we are not the grifers then in that case.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
YUMAD BRO
ZZ Cow
#79 - 2012-03-21 22:24:00 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Just ot let you know something about Rebirth. as a corp.

We lives in empire and we do alot of war decs there. But even then, we see some very few times that corps'es are leaving the alliances we war dec or corps'es are leaving the corp for another corp we have war dec'ed. So it's not really an issue for us.

Because those we war dec are corps'es / alliances we know who will fight back. We don't go after mining corps'es as long it's not from a contractor that want's us to kill miners.

But then, we are not the grifers then in that case.




HAHAHA havent you guys died off yet???

Last I saw you only have 1 or 2 ppl on at any given time.....


Fkn nubs
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-03-21 23:08:12 UTC
Easy solution: wardec someone that will shoot back.

But then, that'll deny you the easy killmail, won't it. Well, can't have that, now can we?