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Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-25 17:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoma Karima
As stated above this is a forum post for all things Dust. Talk about what you're looking forword to along the lines of weapons/armour and whatever else might be on your mind with other Dust bunnies.


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Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
#2 - 2012-02-25 19:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Blane Xero
1. Above, not Ubove.
2. Forum, not Forem.
3. You're, not Your.
4. Forward, not Forword.
5. Weapons, not Wepons.
5.1 Armour, not Armor. [Kinda sorta]
6. Those, not Thoses.
7. It's = It Is. Its is the possessive [do not know its power, not do not know it's power].
8. Remembered, not remember.
9. Advocate, not advicate.

Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.

Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple. Keep the trash out of [u]Out Of Pod Experience[/u], If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#3 - 2012-02-25 20:14:50 UTC
I'm really going to enjoy shooting people with the - oh wait, it's PS3 exclusive and therefore nobody is going to play it.

What I really look forward to is when the PS3 version fails, CCP's grand plans for Dust/EVE integration fail, and they are forced to release a PC version to salvage the game. I just hope that CCP sees the inevitable reasonably quickly.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-25 23:30:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoma Karima
Blane Xero wrote:
1. Above, not Ubove.
2. Forum, not Forem.
3. You're, not Your.
4. Forward, not Forword.
5. Weapons, not Wepons.
5.1 Armour, not Armor. [Kinda sorta]
6. Those, not Thoses.
7. It's = It Is. Its is the possessive [do not know its power, not do not know it's power].
8. Remembered, not remember.
9. Advocate, not advicate.


and my spelling sucks.
anyway anyone have any thoughts about minmatar HAVs and if we would be able to equip them with auto-cannons to shoot down drop-ships?(i know about the guided missiles)

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-02-27 14:00:11 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
Blane Xero wrote:
1. Above, not Ubove.
2. Forum, not Forem.
3. You're, not Your.
4. Forward, not Forword.
5. Weapons, not Wepons.
5.1 Armour, not Armor. [Kinda sorta]
6. Those, not Thoses.
7. It's = It Is. Its is the possessive [do not know its power, not do not know it's power].
8. Remembered, not remember.
9. Advocate, not advicate.


and my spelling sucks.
anyway anyone have any thoughts about minmatar HAVs and if we would be able to equip them with auto-cannons to shoot down drop-ships?(i know about the guided missiles)


Well considering that there's a man portable Auto-cannon, I would be surprised if they didn't have one. Though you shouldn't expect the dropships to be a push over.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#6 - 2012-02-27 19:09:20 UTC
Last time I checked Armour was invented after the creation of the word Armor, as well as all the other similar wordings according to the Dictionary Britanica.

Grideris is there going to be racial symetry of any sort (like every race has at least 1 tank) how that tank works is though racially themed? Or is it going to be like one race has one type of weapon and nobody else has a interation of doing the same role.

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Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-28 02:26:28 UTC
Grideris wrote:

[Well considering that there's a man portable Auto-cannon, I would be surprised if they didn't have one. Though you shouldn't expect the dropships to be a push over.


thanks and i won't be underestimating dropships. I'm a BF3 vet and there was never a handy Mobel AA around when you needed it to shoot down good copter pilots who could dodge any missile you send their way. i'm guessing that Dropship pilots will be just as good(if not better) so a point and shoot AA will be a godsend rather than having to relly on guidence systems.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-02-28 02:40:35 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
Grideris wrote:

[Well considering that there's a man portable Auto-cannon, I would be surprised if they didn't have one. Though you shouldn't expect the dropships to be a push over.


thanks and i won't be underestimating dropships. I'm a BF3 vet and there was never a handy Mobel AA around when you needed it to shoot down good copter pilots who could dodge any missile you send their way. i'm guessing that Dropship pilots will be just as good(if not better) so a point and shoot AA will be a godsend rather than having to relly on guidence systems.


She doesn't know about the VTOLs and Bombers right? Drop ships are flying apcs for the game basically.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#9 - 2012-02-28 09:57:50 UTC
These questions need answering if the EVE player base are to accept Dust:

(1) Cost
How much money has and will be spent in development of Dust and associated Dust technology?
How much money will be apportioned to the server infrastructure to support Dust?
How much marketing $ have and will be spent in promotion of Dust?
How much EVE online revenue have and will be spent in development, promotion and support of Dust?

(2) Features
How many Dust players will be necessary for the link between EVE & Dust to work effectively?
What impact will low numbers have on the EVE economy?
What impact will high numbers have on the EVE economy and support staff requirements to handle high numbers?
In the event of high numbers, will EVE staff be reallocated?
In the event of low numbers, will Dust staff be allocated to EVE instead?

(3) Failure
What are the circumstances for CCP to categorize Dust as a failure?
What are the circumstances for CCP to categorize Dust as a success?
What does the ROI need to be in the first month? the first quarter? the first 6 months? the first year?

(4) Contingency
In the event of catastrophic failure: poor reviews, low income, low player count, atrocious and/or uncompelling game-play mechanics with little risk/reward ratios neatly implemented; will CCP admit defeat and 'offline' the game? OR will CCP dogmatically 'stick to their guns' and run the game into the ground, apportioning revenue from other sources (EVE) in a vain attempt to make a success of a party with no attendees?

All other questions are secondary - because there are plenty of games out there which have guns in them.

AK

This space for rent.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-28 17:20:34 UTC
Quote:
=Stellar Vix
She doesn't know about the VTOLs and Bombers right? Drop ships are flying apcs for the game basically.

-Vix


Yes i do know about the VTOLs and fighter/bombers my coment was ment to inclued all airborn vehicals. sorry if i didn't make that clear.Oops

and AllyKat makes a good point. Those are important questions and they may be answerd at fan fest, i'll be strolling though the Dust wepsights and get back to you if i find anything before that.

oh and before I forget Grideris made a Dust 514 cast with Brodcaststorm on Dust514base you might wan't to check it out.Cool

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#11 - 2012-02-29 18:03:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Henry Haphorn
AlleyKat wrote:
These questions need answering if the EVE player base are to accept Dust:

(1) Cost
How much money has and will be spent in development of Dust and associated Dust technology?
How much money will be apportioned to the server infrastructure to support Dust?
How much marketing $ have and will be spent in promotion of Dust?
How much EVE online revenue have and will be spent in development, promotion and support of Dust?

(2) Features
How many Dust players will be necessary for the link between EVE & Dust to work effectively?
What impact will low numbers have on the EVE economy?
What impact will high numbers have on the EVE economy and support staff requirements to handle high numbers?
In the event of high numbers, will EVE staff be reallocated?
In the event of low numbers, will Dust staff be allocated to EVE instead?

(3) Failure
What are the circumstances for CCP to categorize Dust as a failure?
What are the circumstances for CCP to categorize Dust as a success?
What does the ROI need to be in the first month? the first quarter? the first 6 months? the first year?

(4) Contingency
In the event of catastrophic failure: poor reviews, low income, low player count, atrocious and/or uncompelling game-play mechanics with little risk/reward ratios neatly implemented; will CCP admit defeat and 'offline' the game? OR will CCP dogmatically 'stick to their guns' and run the game into the ground, apportioning revenue from other sources (EVE) in a vain attempt to make a success of a party with no attendees?

All other questions are secondary - because there are plenty of games out there which have guns in them.

AK


Those questions will obviously not be answered until AFTER Dust 514 comes out since we have no foundation to base any of our assumptions on. By foundation I mean having experienced a prior version of its release (ie: beta testing) and since even the beta hasn't come out yet, we might as well be shooting blindly in the dark as we do nothing but imagine and speculate.

Adapt or Die
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#12 - 2012-03-01 12:37:29 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:

Those questions will obviously not be answered until AFTER Dust 514 comes out since we have no foundation to base any of our assumptions on.

By foundation I mean having experienced a prior version of its release (ie: beta testing) and since even the beta hasn't come out yet, we might as well be shooting blindly in the dark as we do nothing but imagine and speculate.


Are you suggesting CCP Games do not have the answers for these questions?

That's quite a comment to make, if that is your comment.

Releasing a new game in the days of 100+ size dev teams, it is not just logical thought process to have the answers to these questions prior to release, you have them prior to development of the game.

Would you give $20 million to a company if they didn't have a plan, other than 'make awesome game'?

They have the answers, believe me, they just do not want to answer them as this information could then be used against them in the future.

The fact that Dust & EVE are supposed to be 'one universe' and yet they do not even have a 'general discussion' place holder on these forums (and they recently redesigned the website) speaks volumes.

End the speculation CCP. Answer the questions, link the community forums and release the damn beta, so I can plugin my Black Magic Intensity Pro and give it an honest review.

AK

This space for rent.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-02 20:46:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Yoma Karima
Back to topic people.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-20 22:55:30 UTC
Bump
why not fanfest is two days away.

Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
Adunh Slavy
#15 - 2012-03-20 23:15:44 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
Bump
why not fanfest is two days away.



Because when real news is close at hand, the entertainment in speculation dwindles. Why be proven wrong when everyone can remember it? Better to have a lot of time between your predictions and being proven wrong, that way no one remembers it. Smile

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt