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Miners, an endangered species.
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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#101 - 2012-03-20 19:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Evei Shard wrote:

Sure, some people gank "for the tears", but they'd be foolish to not have a friend loot and salvage. I've watched people with -10 sec status do this sort of thing repeatedly by themselves with a covops trained alt who does the warp-to and salvage.
Use 2 Destroyers and a tanked Mack or cargo-fit Hulk will still go down in the half minute you have to pop them.

Destroyers are also quick with warping. You have 20 to 30 seconds to get from 0m/s to 75%(warp) from the moment someone comes in system (on d-scan or not). If they've got a cloaked alt sitting next to you, you can kiss your ship goodbye. More often than not, the cloaky alts are quite clean for killboard stats. They look like any average non-threatening player.


tl;dr: Ganking is very profitable currently, so there's not much reason to *not* do it.



The funny part to this is you don't even need to use a covt ops. I use an alt in a salvage Dessie, with cargo/ship scanner and blatantly bump them around a bit scanning them ext..ect. I use destroyers simply because there are vultures that will try to steal the loot/salvage so u have to be quick or someone else will get it.

These so called miners that we gank can't "all" be AFK. I actually convo every single target I pick out and if they actually answer I don't gank them, just because 90% of them never answer a convo so it's a rarity.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-03-20 19:58:11 UTC
Dyniss wrote:
Mining is still very worthwhile as getting ships through mining and industry is way cheaper the just outright buying them


"way cheaper".....hmm, then how come when I go to produce a T3, it costs more to make it than to buy it on the market?

Don't ban me, bro!
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#103 - 2012-03-20 20:08:23 UTC
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#104 - 2012-03-20 20:13:33 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Dyniss wrote:
Mining is still very worthwhile as getting ships through mining and industry is way cheaper the just outright buying them


"way cheaper".....hmm, then how come when I go to produce a T3, it costs more to make it than to buy it on the market?


Not just T3, Kid.

Math off any ship or module in EVE. It's not even strategic sales where you sell the ship at cost and bleed them on the modules. Everything in the game is priced below its mineral value. Manufacturing in EVE is bankrupt. Sell the minerals, you make more ISK.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#105 - 2012-03-20 20:14:39 UTC
......(enjoys grabbing the 5th belt of the day).......

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#106 - 2012-03-20 20:15:36 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Dyniss wrote:
Mining is still very worthwhile as getting ships through mining and industry is way cheaper the just outright buying them


"way cheaper".....hmm, then how come when I go to produce a T3, it costs more to make it than to buy it on the market?


Not just T3, Kid.

Math off any ship or module in EVE. It's not even strategic sales where you sell the ship at cost and bleed them on the modules. Everything in the game is priced below its mineral value. Manufacturing in EVE is bankrupt. Sell the minerals, you make more ISK.


I've said this over a YEAR about T2 ship production, and I always get hooted down.

Glad someone else has seen the light.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#107 - 2012-03-20 20:35:40 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:

Sure, some people gank "for the tears", but they'd be foolish to not have a friend loot and salvage. I've watched people with -10 sec status do this sort of thing repeatedly by themselves with a covops trained alt who does the warp-to and salvage.
Use 2 Destroyers and a tanked Mack or cargo-fit Hulk will still go down in the half minute you have to pop them.

Destroyers are also quick with warping. You have 20 to 30 seconds to get from 0m/s to 75%(warp) from the moment someone comes in system (on d-scan or not). If they've got a cloaked alt sitting next to you, you can kiss your ship goodbye. More often than not, the cloaky alts are quite clean for killboard stats. They look like any average non-threatening player.


tl;dr: Ganking is very profitable currently, so there's not much reason to *not* do it.



The funny part to this is you don't even need to use a covt ops. I use an alt in a salvage Dessie, with cargo/ship scanner and blatantly bump them around a bit scanning them ext..ect. I use destroyers simply because there are vultures that will try to steal the loot/salvage so u have to be quick or someone else will get it.

These so called miners that we gank can't "all" be AFK. I actually convo every single target I pick out and if they actually answer I don't gank them, just because 90% of them never answer a convo so it's a rarity.

Sounds fair enough. At least you have an practical objective (loot and salvage), and you convo people. Gives them a chance to clear out and dock, if they put 2 +2 together.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-03-20 20:36:42 UTC
Wait, so actual human beings actually do the exact same process 24/7 without going insane?

The reason why there is a lack of (human) miners is because of the following.

1. Mining is boring as hell, anyone who could possibly find the process of undock, shoot rock, do nothing but watch, dock up and repeat constantly probably needs their sanity checked. I heard some people mine because you can do multiple things while you mine like sell and buy on markets, manage PI, science industry etc. But I cannot believe how people just mine and nothing else. Normal people tend to realize what the hell they are doing, the others are either playing from the insane asylum or are bots.

2. Mining is irrelevant to EVE in the grand scheme of themes. Most minerals are obtained from missions or reprocessing old ships and modules.

3. Mining has little to offer. After a year or two you'll be able to fly every mining ship in EVE and they all perform the same basic function. As a result a dedicated miner can get bored of the game very quickly. The end game ship for a miner is the Orca. You could make an argument for the Rorqual but miners don't like working with others or taking risk and the ship requires you to work with others and take risks (venturing into low/null/wh).

Also the base of the EVE economy are not the miners. Do you know what would happen should all forms PVP be taken out of the game? Mining would be worthless because the number one reason for industry is the fact that people lose ships. Most people lose ships from engaging in PVP, voluntarily or involuntarily (if you don't like that EVE isn't for you). Without ships being lose as often miners would be worthless.

The base of any economy are the customers. If there are no customers there is no demand. If there is no demand there is no economy.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#109 - 2012-03-20 20:52:11 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Wait, so actual human beings actually do the exact same process 24/7 without going insane?

The reason why there is a lack of (human) miners is because of the following.

1. Mining is boring as hell, anyone who could possibly find the process of undock, shoot rock, do nothing but watch, dock up and repeat constantly probably needs their sanity checked. I heard some people mine because you can do multiple things while you mine like sell and buy on markets, manage PI, science industry etc. But I cannot believe how people just mine and nothing else. Normal people tend to realize what the hell they are doing, the others are either playing from the insane asylum or are bots.

2. Mining is irrelevant to EVE in the grand scheme of themes. Most minerals are obtained from missions or reprocessing old ships and modules.

3. Mining has little to offer. After a year or two you'll be able to fly every mining ship in EVE and they all perform the same basic function. As a result a dedicated miner can get bored of the game very quickly. The end game ship for a miner is the Orca. You could make an argument for the Rorqual but miners don't like working with others or taking risk and the ship requires you to work with others and take risks (venturing into low/null/wh).

Also the base of the EVE economy are not the miners. Do you know what would happen should all forms PVP be taken out of the game? Mining would be worthless because the number one reason for industry is the fact that people lose ships. Most people lose ships from engaging in PVP, voluntarily or involuntarily (if you don't like that EVE isn't for you). Without ships being lose as often miners would be worthless.

The base of any economy are the customers. If there are no customers there is no demand. If there is no demand there is no economy.



Wrong on every single point. My God......................

I'm not even gonna bother picking it apart.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vertigo Ren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-03-20 20:59:54 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Dyniss wrote:
Mining is still very worthwhile as getting ships through mining and industry is way cheaper the just outright buying them


"way cheaper".....hmm, then how come when I go to produce a T3, it costs more to make it than to buy it on the market?


Not just T3, Kid.

Math off any ship or module in EVE. It's not even strategic sales where you sell the ship at cost and bleed them on the modules. Everything in the game is priced below its mineral value. Manufacturing in EVE is bankrupt. Sell the minerals, you make more ISK.


I've said this over a YEAR about T2 ship production, and I always get hooted down.

Glad someone else has seen the light.


I must be selling the wrong t2 ships and t2 modules then...
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#111 - 2012-03-20 21:05:19 UTC
Time to make babies?

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#112 - 2012-03-20 21:20:19 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Time to make babies?


Just what we need. Hundreds of Procurers running around empire space.

Profit favors the prepared
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#113 - 2012-03-20 21:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
I still see barges around, but nowhere near as many as in the past. Mining is something I did as a noob, and still occasionally do if I'm reading or something.

Less competition for ore is good, mining no longer being the target rich environment it once was is bad, from both the gankers and gankees point of view, the ganker has less targets, the gankee therefore has a higher chance of becoming one of them.

lol @ Chribba, the only relatively safe miner in eve.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#114 - 2012-03-20 21:30:50 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
As a relatively long term indy alt toon I have noticed something many of you are probably unaware of.

Hulks and the noob mining barges as well are vanishing from the game.
Our little neut alt corp is active in a couple of empires and many regions and are familiar with many rich mining areas that all have something new in common.

NO MINERS


don't you mean less bots?
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2012-03-20 21:38:47 UTC
ganking miners seems to be a case of biting the hand that feeds. you need the miners so can keep buying those ships and being foolish dumbas*ses that you are. 
Simple Miner
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#116 - 2012-03-20 21:42:14 UTC
Nerf Incursions.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#117 - 2012-03-20 21:42:36 UTC
Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote:
ganking miners seems to be a case of biting the hand that feeds. you need the miners so can keep buying those ships and being foolish dumbas*ses that you are.

Not really. it greatly amuses me to mine/refine mission goo for 90% of what I need to build those 280mm artys, sebos, and gryostabs that will eventually be used to gank a Retriever or indy.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-03-20 23:15:42 UTC
Shocked Where is the OP flying? the star systems around jita a full of miners.

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M5 Tuttle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2012-03-20 23:22:58 UTC
I seem to remember someone saying that they are going to get rid of drone ore. If this is the case then I would bet that mining will become profitable again and the occasional suicide gank loss will be no big deal.

I wouldn't worry about this.
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#120 - 2012-03-20 23:34:26 UTC
I remember when I hauled lowsec ore for four weeks, to get enough minerals to buy a Prophecy BPC and have the ship built. It was great when combat and indy pilots had to live in symbiosis.. *snif*

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