EVE General Discussion

Because the rest of your alliance is trying to convince us that it's not an exploit...just ~elite PvP~.

That's ~The Mittani~ to you.

Tippia, you really need to change your sig. It should say

Find more rants over at Tippis' Pants.

Cause if you are ranting, you are usually butthurt over something and the butt is located on the upper backside of your lower appendage covering.

Ok that is a real lame excuse to change the your sig, but I keep thinking it says Pants for some reason

This has been petitioned mutliple times, and CCP's answer has allways been "working as intended". It's a method that's been around since I first played in 2006, probably long before that too. The technique of using a Vindicator with tripple webs is new, but the mechanics that allow it are not.

Thousands upon thousands of ships have been lost due to this "bug" to NPC factions, pirates and poeple with bad faction standings undocking from station, only to be webbed, scrammed and killed without being able to cancel warp. If CCP actually intend to start reimbursing the ships lost to this "bug" they won't be able to do anything else for the next few weeks. Not to mention all the capitals unable who were killed after being bumped at high speeds out of POS shields, stations or even eachother; as they were "stuck in warp".

So instead of labeling what until now has been a legit game mechanic an "exploit", why not allow it and let JF pilots learn how to align before warping? Getting mad about it now seems pretty pointless, eve should never be safe and adding a bit of risk to the life of careless freighter pilots is good.

Because it's not causing the code to go off the rails and causing an unrecoverable loss of control over your ship just because, most likely, there's no code to deal with the state of the ship?

Web-slinging a ship means the normal rules apply — you're just wiggling the variables around; web-jamming a ship means there is no longer any rule to apply (presumably because it's missing in the code) — the variables are stuck in an unforeseen state.

Because webs were never intended to jam the code this way, and just because it took a while for the nature of the problem to penetrate CCP's famously thick skulls doesn't mean that the intention was ever anything else. Just apply a point — if you have room for three webs, you have room for one of those.

Webs were never intended to allow ships to warp faster either. CCP have known about this for years, and been perfectly ok with it until now. And the webs don't prevent the ships from warping; they merely increase the time it takes for it to do so. Bumping the ships prevent it from ever reaching that speed, but this is all game mechanics. Being stuck "entering warp" might not have been CCP's intention, but neither are a lot of things. I don't see how they can suddenly say it's a "clear exploit" after years of not only knowing about it, but saying it's as it should be and it's ok for poeple to take advantage of it.

The shield-tanked web-only Daredevil fit is solid and produces. Don't even start with this 'PVP ships must have a point' crap.

Also, you have no idea what is happening in their application code so just stop continuing your bushleague arguments based on assumptions.

The point is that this has existed for a long time, and players have made the standard, absurd level of effort to bring possible bugs to the game designers attention and every response has been that the bugged application code that your argument is based around is simply not bugged at all.

Any players using the mechanic before an announcement about it being deemed an exploit are easily protected from action against them because many, many petitions and chat logs between GM's and players over the years can be revived for more than enough proof the show that CCP simply did not take the petitions seriously. That is until a 20 billion isk JF was lost due to it :tinfoil:

…except that nothing changed between the two except for them explaining what was happening and why. How can you not see this? Now you're also implying things that were never mentioned, such as me making any reference to freighters. CCP merely mention a use that caught their eye (or, more likely, a situation that finally caused someone to properly report it). At no point was the use of web outlawed — the use of unintentional gaps in the coding that caused the ship to go out of control was outlawed. The fact that webs are being used for this is almost incidental, and it's the exploitation of an obvious bug that is — quite correctly being labelled as an exploit.

I'll post this again:

“It has come to our attention that some players are making use of a broken game mechanic involving web modules preventing people from warping, for the purpose of killing them.”

vs.

“We've become aware of an exploit that is being abused by players to catch jump freighters in low-sec in order to kill them. By webbing a ship that has initiated warp, the victim will be rendered unable to cancel the warp in order to dock.”

The second one is not narrowed down. They are still disallowing the exact same thing: you cannot use webs to jam ships into an unrecoverable state. The only difference is that in the first post, they weren't explicitly stating what the “broken game mechanic involving web modules” consisted of, whereas in the reworded version, they did. They did not disallow the use of webs in any way except for using this (at first unexplained) exploit.

…so why didn't they narrow it down the second time around? So no, they apparently didn't agree with that.

No, that's not the same logic.

Again: one is causing the code to go off the rails, making the ship unresponsive because it has entered an undefined state of apparently-warping-but-not-really-doing-so; the other is causing the standard rules to work exactly the same way as always, only with different parameters.

You are truly delusional if you honestly believe these say the same thing. The simple fact of the matter is that the second statement covers a very tiny subset of the situations the first one does. Its all those situations that had me concerned.

-Liang

Or keep things as they have allways been and just make JF pilots learn how to align before pressing warp.

If you're too lazy or retarted to make that one little click before pressing warp, you deserve to die helpless and dead in the water to the Vindicator camping station.