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What lvl missions can HAC run?
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Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#1 - 2012-03-20 17:36:14 UTC
I want to fly a HAC and I know they are mainly for pvp but I like the look and the feel of a cruiser. So my question is what missions would a HAC be good for such as the Scarliege? Its the ship I want to fly the most. Then I want to move up to the Damination. I like the shiny Amarr black hulls. So can i run lvl 3 with a Scarliege?

The Dominix is always, the answer the question doesnt matter!!!!!
Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-03-20 18:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
You can run them but you will be a lot slower then say a Drake or even a well skilled Harbinger. Despite the lack of a Drone Bay a Zealot with a Web would be quicker.

[Sacrilege, Lvl 3]
True Sansha Medium Armor Repairer
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Domination 10MN Afterburner
Stasis Webifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Assault Missile
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x3

At lower skill you may need to replace a Painter for a Cap Recharger. You might want to use a Complex Repair if you can afford it, I haven't checked lately but I think the True Sansha still is pretty cheap. No clue on the Domination AB but if it is outside your price range a T2 will do fine.

I am sorry but the Damnation is a Tank with pretty much no DPS. It's DPS is lower then the Sac so you are much, much better off with the Absolution. Usually I say fly with what you have fun with which is why I posted the Sac Fit but the Damnation just isn't up to it, sorry.

If you are looking for the best HAC to run Lvl 4's in that would be the Ishtar but it requires a lot of training. It need Battleship level drones.
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2012-03-20 18:05:16 UTC
You should be able to run level 4 missions with a HAC. Whether it is efficient or not is another story. You would have to do some manual piloting and pay attention to what you are doing though, but it IS possible. You also probably don't want to use the Damnation, it would be the other flavor of Amarr CS that you would look at. Damnation's damage is generally lower from what I have heard. You might want a bit more confirmation though as I haven't flown Either the Sacrilege or the Damnation before (even though I can fly them). And I generally wouldn't consider running missions in those ships as they don't generally appeal to me.

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Vince Snetterton
#4 - 2012-03-20 18:06:26 UTC
Zaltone wrote:
I want to fly a HAC and I know they are mainly for pvp but I like the look and the feel of a cruiser. So my question is what missions would a HAC be good for such as the Scarliege? Its the ship I want to fly the most. Then I want to move up to the Damination. I like the shiny Amarr black hulls. So can i run lvl 3 with a Scarliege?


Yeah, you can run L3's in a Sacrilege.
If you REALLY want to, you can.

But frankly, the Sac is awful for missions, and definitely in real danger in a lot of L4 missions.
A Sac has two things going against it for missions: It is relatively slow and it is fairly short range with HAM's, which two of its 4 bonuses are geared towards.

Any of the HAC's can be set up to run some subset of L4 missions, but few are truly efficient at it and some HAC's will be trashed in L4's.

Now, the Ishtar can handle any L4, but unless you have great drone skills, and like to afk your missions, not much point in flying that over BS's, especially for L4's.
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#5 - 2012-03-20 19:26:27 UTC
This is great news this means i can use one:) I dont care if the dps is lower for some than others I run 2 accounts in missions

The Dominix is always, the answer the question doesnt matter!!!!!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2012-03-20 19:32:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Zaltone wrote:
I want to fly a HAC and I know they are mainly for pvp but I like the look and the feel of a cruiser. So my question is what missions would a HAC be good for such as the Scarliege? Its the ship I want to fly the most. Then I want to move up to the Damination. I like the shiny Amarr black hulls. So can i run lvl 3 with a Scarliege?


Yeah, you can run L4s with a Sac too. Its not too terrible of an idea if you do the blitzing thing and have a lot of agents you can pull from. I knew a guy that used to pull in a few hundred mil per hour missioning in a Retribution.

-Liang

Ed: Just to be clear: I don't know if this is still possible. I did verify what he was claiming at the time and it looked possible if he could actually get the missions he said he was (and I have absolutely no reason to doubt him). He's a fine upstanding member of the community at large and is reasonably well known here on these internet spaceship forumz.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#7 - 2012-03-20 20:16:26 UTC
Mission Sac is ok...ish, wont make allot of isk, but it's useable at least:

[Sacrilege, Lv4 Sacrilege]
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System
Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Stasis Webifier II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Rage Assault Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Trying to use a Damnation in missions would be idiotic, it does less than 400 DPS with heavy assault missiles, that's with 3 faction damage mods and a T2 rate of fire rig, which is not enough for most level 4s, just don't bother with it.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#8 - 2012-03-20 21:56:42 UTC
If you're willing to look at other races' HACs, the Sentry Ishtar is a workable L4 boat.

It has the advantage of not being completely hamstrung by ewar to the degree that BS gunboats are (which otherwise handily outperform it).
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#9 - 2012-03-20 22:53:43 UTC
I really want to fly Amarr and like missles I have a 2nd account that flys a drake if i need extra dps.

The Dominix is always, the answer the question doesnt matter!!!!!
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#10 - 2012-03-20 22:54:28 UTC
I guess i really want to know that the tank will hold up since with 2 accounts i shouldnt have a problem blowing stuff up

The Dominix is always, the answer the question doesnt matter!!!!!
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#11 - 2012-03-20 22:57:28 UTC
Actually now that I look at it could be possible to put them both in Hac's me in Sac and the other in a caldari HAC the Cereberus

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-21 00:43:12 UTC
The best HAC for missions would be the Ishtar. It's pretty much a mini Dominix.

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Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#13 - 2012-03-21 01:54:15 UTC
Zaltone wrote:
Actually now that I look at it could be possible to put them both in Hac's me in Sac and the other in a caldari HAC the Cereberus


If you used that ship combo with 2 accounts you might just make almost as much isk as I make with one account and a well fit battleship!!!

Battleships are usually capable of around double the DPS of a HAC or more for marauders/faction/pirate faction, by using HACs you're just gimping yourself badly.

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#14 - 2012-03-21 02:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
The best HAC for PvE is the Ishtar. With that said, if you are insistent on using HACs, the Cerberus can do a fine job as well. I used to run Level 4 Faction Warfare missions with an Ishtar and a Cerberus.

I have done some Level 4 missions against Angels with the Sacrilege. It can have a great tank against them (at the expense of DPS). They also come close enough that it can effectively apply its DPS. With that said, there are much better options. A good PvE Sacrilege (which honestly sounds like sacrilege just saying that) can do about 490 DPS at 28 km and tank about 280 against Angels. As long as you keep moving, that works pretty well.

You can rat Angels pretty effectively in a PvP-fit Sacrilege, if you so desire.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.