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Could a Frigate and/or Cruiser class ship fly & land on a planet?

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Solania Aurae
Garoun Investment Bank
#1 - 2012-03-20 07:30:10 UTC
Purely from a fictional and lore point of view, this came to mind while I was sipping my tea before bed.

While Cruisers might be a long-shot, Frigates/Rookie ships do seem plausible. I'd imagine Shuttles are a given.

I'm curious as to what peoples opinions are as to whether the "friction" and "drag" created by the active warp-core also works akin to other ships in other sic-fi universes, such as Star Trek and more notable Mass Effect, in which, as the latter implies, alters the mass of a ship (or any object), allowing it to enter, ascend and descend in any given terrestrial atmosphere.

Or, more likely, they would simply use remedial thrusters to overcome gravity, which would be more likely given the Shuttles appearance of having "wings", even though they look less then air worthy.

I'd imagine this was never considered when the ship models were designed, after all, the EvE wiki states that most of the space ore/materials would either melt or become brittle/oxidize upon entering a oxygen (or non-vacume) based atmosphere.

Do you think certain exceptions could be made to Frigates?


/lorenerd

OfBalance
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-20 07:34:48 UTC
You answered your own question.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-20 08:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Headerman
I look at it this way....

It is a fictional universe, so any feasable idea you come up with can be accepted. Obviously things like Star trek ships entering through a wormhole are just ridiculous. But i think frigates and cruisers being able to land would be fine?

But then you have bigger ships like the harbinger, Hurricane etc, they may be able to land as well since they are about the size of an aircraft carrier.

Why would they land though? That would be the next step.

Crew rotation, module changings, hiding from pirates etc etc...

Continuing that trend, add in the fact you have artificial gravity, inertia dampening etc, would make entry and departure from atmosphere pretty easy. Maybe Dust could see frigates used in ground support roles too? They have some pretty powerful guns that could make a big difference

I wouldn't like to land a Nag though, it could fall over waaayyyyyy to easy :(

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Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#4 - 2012-03-20 09:46:06 UTC
In eve fictions like Templar One, drop ships are mostly used for landing. Even drake has a drop ship, which troops use to land, while the ships itself hovers above. I can't recall a single instance of a capsuler ship landing on ground.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-03-20 10:54:40 UTC
i just imagined a rupture 'landing' on a planet, then slowly falling over and exploding like a stranded whale.

I should buy an Ishtar.

stoicfaux
#6 - 2012-03-20 13:40:17 UTC
The Tempest and the Cheetah would land in the ocean and sail around...

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#7 - 2012-03-20 13:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Baneken
In EVE space ships are built in space and operated in space and have specific craft and orbital elevators for taking people to planets surface.
A shuttle being a civilian ship might be able to land as well as most industrial ships since they aren't meant to be flow in combat and thus might be easier to made from materials that ,while being less sturdy, could survive the atmospheric entry.

How ever every single ship we currently fly in EVE has tritanium alloys in it which is highly fragile in atmosphere.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2012-03-20 13:50:20 UTC
Baneken wrote:
In EVE space ships are built in space and operated in space and have specific craft and orbital elevators for taking people to planets surface.
A shuttle being a civilian ship might be able to land as well as most industrial ships since they aren't meant to be flow in combat and thus might be easier to made from materials that ,while being less sturdy, could survive the atmospheric entry.

How ever every single ship we currently fly in EVE has tritanium alloys in it which is highly fragile in atmosphere.


Shuttles are built from pure Tritanium though :p
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#9 - 2012-03-20 13:50:39 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
The Tempest and the Cheetah would land in the ocean and sail around...



Same with the thrasher! The hound would sit just below the waterline, lone fin standing up like a shark. Lol

That said, landing would add further constraints on a ship, increasing cost, taking up space for equipment, and probably require additional structural support. (think of the moa and how it would have to support itself under gravity.) And the required heat shielding needed for reentry.

Additionally, think about spinning your ship. Why would energy (fuel) be wasted I. a space station keeping a ship floating, if you could just land the ship on a hanger floor? Seems like a waste of resources in general.

Still, most ships could probably land once... It's just whether they could survive the landing to takeoff and do it again.
Radelix Cisko
JUMP DRIVE ACTIVE
#10 - 2012-03-20 23:56:27 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:


Still, most ships could probably land once... It's just whether they could survive the landing to takeoff and do it again.



Just get us on the ground


Ohh that part will most definitely happen

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-21 00:48:18 UTC
Well the first DUST trailer shows a Megathron hovering very close to the ground and then being destroyed by a missile barrage. I'm assuming the EVE lore would have to be tweaked a bit to fit this change.

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Jeyson Vicious
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-21 01:53:02 UTC
Solania Aurae wrote:
Purely from a fictional and lore point of view, this came to mind while I was sipping my tea before bed.


/lorenerd




...and done.
Skorpynekomimi
#13 - 2012-03-21 04:55:25 UTC
Tritanium catches fire in air. So, no.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2012-03-21 05:20:03 UTC
Very very few EVE starships are also aerodynamic. Most of them would descend and land like a brick, killing everyone inside.

They are also built with a material stated to be unstable at atmospheric pressures and temperatures, though it's more likely that only pure Tritanium is unstable. Alloys of trit mixed with common elements may be far more stable.

There are no anti-gravity engines displayed in EVE so far. While artificial gravity on par with Star Trek is shown (crews don't float around in zero-G), there is no evidence to suggest anti-gravity exists. This means landing ships must obey certain standard technology limits for avoiding said brick-landings. I don't see any thrusters that point down on those non-aerodynamic ships.

The final answer is simple... dropships exist and are far more commonly used.

Katrina Oniseki

Dyniss
KarmaFleet University
#15 - 2012-03-21 08:02:25 UTC
I can see it now

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Dirty Teacher
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-21 08:12:42 UTC
i don't think the ship will crash on impact but will just get bumped away at great speed like what happens when you use a bm inside the star
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#17 - 2012-03-21 09:27:24 UTC
The answers including physics and science reasons why not are plain funny given how eve works (random loud space game with submarine physics bar collisions).

The devs have as much as promised atmospheric flight in the big bold plans of the future. Dunno if it has been droped altogether... They might even include a mid slot given to a mod that stabilizes titanium alloys to satisfy some of the posters above (LOL).

However I think it is not something that we will see even soonTM.

If they ever did do it... it would be a very good chance to include a new pvp / pve combat environment where one actuallly flys the ship (something like X3R -X3TC physics and control). The haters need not yell so loud it will only be for the subgame ...

This could create the subgame to tie in Dust with EvE... Perhaps they would already have done something like this if not for Vampires online and whatnot...

tl;dr if the devs want it there is nothing to stop it and with luck it could even be good fun.
Murisha
#18 - 2012-03-22 19:16:25 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
i just imagined a rupture 'landing' on a planet, then slowly falling over and exploding like a stranded whale.


Yes. Just like a whale. It's what whales do
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#19 - 2012-03-22 19:40:03 UTC
Murisha wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i just imagined a rupture 'landing' on a planet, then slowly falling over and exploding like a stranded whale.


Yes. Just like a whale. It's what whales do


exploding or stranding? watched once how they cut a week dead stranded whale into pieces in a harbor .. very stinky thing btw.

there have to be ships able to land.
the first refinery and the first ship array had to be build with a planet as base. or other way round (as the eve universe was settled from space) there must be a way to bring settlers down to the planets surfaces (which could be performed by a pure tritanium ship .. it will burn while landing so better leave soon).

after all there is a courier mission including arctic warfare marines, wich i dont think are arctic warfare space marines. while they can be grown up on stations their destination is pretty sure on planets with some cold weather

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-22 21:18:08 UTC
Murisha wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
i just imagined a rupture 'landing' on a planet, then slowly falling over and exploding like a stranded whale.


Yes. Just like a whale. It's what whales do


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtVSzU20ZGk

I should buy an Ishtar.

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