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Wondering about this suicide ganking catalyst fit
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Dawne Xi
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
#1 - 2012-03-19 14:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dawne Xi
A corp-mate of mine was recently suicide ganked in her Hulk in a 0.5 system by someone with less than -7.0 security status and I was wondering how it was done in a destroyer

How is this able to take down a hulk in a 0.5 system, when the ganker was -7 or less sec status? I know the hulk wasn't tanked very well, but still this seems like a lot of ship to take out. My corp-mate has shield management, mechanic, and hull upgrades V, and had a 3% shield HP implant

4x Light Ion Blaster II
3x Light Neutron Blaster II

1x Warp Scrambler
1x Supplemental Scanning CPU

2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1x Small Hybrid Burst Aerator
1x Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator

Void S ammo

Mostly curious how this was done, because obviously it was :)

Edit: Fixed missing "II's" after the T2 modules on the ship
WARBRO
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-19 15:35:11 UTC
Argg ! Needs more eye patch.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#3 - 2012-03-19 15:51:16 UTC
I'm trying to figure out how he was able to fire Void S with Tech 1 guns.

He must have been hacking, somehow. Yeah, I'd file a petition.
Dawne Xi
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
#4 - 2012-03-19 15:53:41 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how he was able to fire Void S with Tech 1 guns.

He must have been hacking, somehow. Yeah, I'd file a petition.



Ooops my mistake LOL ..I didn't type II's after the guns
Ubiquitous Forum Alt
#5 - 2012-03-19 16:01:54 UTC
Should be around 500-600 dps depending how many other modules you copied over incorrectly (what you posted seems like an inefficient/strange ganking fit...)

Figure 15-30 seconds response time in a .5 system, that is anywhere from 7500 damage minimum up to potentially 18000 in an absolute best case scenario (for the ganker).

More than enough to kill a poorly fit hulk...I'd say its self explanatory....

I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you?
Dawne Xi
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
#6 - 2012-03-19 16:16:05 UTC
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:
Should be around 500-600 dps depending how many other modules you copied over incorrectly (what you posted seems like an inefficient/strange ganking fit...)


I rechecked the killmail on battleclinic where he got blown up later that day and the edited fit is correct. And yes it seemed strange to me too that's why I was asking. Thanks for the replies though :)
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#7 - 2012-03-20 04:24:50 UTC
7 guns?
2 magstabs?
What?

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.
Sarah FTGF
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-20 06:21:21 UTC
Killmail or it didn't happen:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15346285#lostLoadout

2012.02.27 18:29:00

Victim: XXXXXXX
Corp: 3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Alliance: Unknown
Faction: Unknown
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Nakugard
Security: 0.5
Damage Taken: 6086

Involved parties:

Name: Tinoch (laid the final blow)
Security: -7.40
Corp: Perkone
Alliance: None
Faction: None
Ship: Catalyst
Weapon: Light Ion Blaster II
Damage Done: 6030

Name: Cyber Nomad / Archangels
Damage Done: 56

Destroyed items:

Survey Scanner II
Golden Omber, Qty: 345 (Cargo)
Mining Laser Upgrade II, Qty: 2
Strip Miner I
Mining Drone I, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay)
Hobgoblin II, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay)
Medium Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 2
Giant Secure Container (Cargo)

Dropped items:

Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Small Shield Extender II
Strip Miner I, Qty: 2
Mining Drone I (Drone Bay)
Hobgoblin II, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay)
Giant Secure Container (Cargo)
Golden Omber, Qty: 4546 (In Container)


This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker?
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#9 - 2012-03-20 06:37:12 UTC
I'm not going to sit here and teach carebears how to tank their Hulks....

but that Hulk fit would have been easily killed by a solo T2 Catalyst in 0.7 or 0.8 space, not just 0.5 space.

Destroyers were buffed.
Hybrids were buffed.

Catalyst received two large simultaneous upgrades to DPS.

700 DPS Catalyst + knowing how to 'move' Concord = 14 seconds in 0.7 and 19 seconds in 0.5.

Thats 10K average damage and 13.5K damage, respectively.
Further - your shot quality will be high vs such a large, fat, target, which means you'll have some well aimed (+25%) or excellent shots (50%) as well.

So, short answer - yes, a 1 Million ISK Catalyst + about 10M in mods and good skills can scrap your 230M-250M ISK Hulk.

I do not believe CCP needs to step in and change a single thing. The message is simple:

L2Tank or B killed 4 free.
Sarah FTGF
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-20 06:57:01 UTC
Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun.

Herr Wilkus wrote:
+ knowing how to 'move' Concord


I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds?
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#11 - 2012-03-20 07:29:21 UTC
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun.

Herr Wilkus wrote:
+ knowing how to 'move' Concord


I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds?


Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target.

Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station.
Felicia D'Arch
Star Freaks
#12 - 2012-03-20 12:30:15 UTC
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Killmail or it didn't happen:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15346285#lostLoadout


This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker?


OK, so T2 ammo, Damage implants, etc. Also, ships are prepared in a safe that are already aligned, at least that's what I do with my gank talos. lol. So -10.0 pirates (YARR) can still gank in high sec, it just involves an alt to get all cozy right next to you. And to be honest, if you'r ******** enough to ignore that strange person in a frig sitting 20 meters away from you, you deserve to get ganked.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#13 - 2012-03-20 12:59:34 UTC
Felicia D'Arch wrote:
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Killmail or it didn't happen:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15346285#lostLoadout


This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker?


OK, so T2 ammo, Damage implants, etc. Also, ships are prepared in a safe that are already aligned, at least that's what I do with my gank talos. lol. So -10.0 pirates (YARR) can still gank in high sec, it just involves an alt to get all cozy right next to you. And to be honest, if you'r ******** enough to ignore that strange person in a frig sitting 20 meters away from you, you deserve to get ganked.


Thats why you plant a cloaked Rapier 2,001 meters away from them, 3001 if they have drones out.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#14 - 2012-03-20 13:06:39 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun.

Herr Wilkus wrote:
+ knowing how to 'move' Concord


I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds?


Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target.

Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station.


Wasnt this considered a exploit?
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#15 - 2012-03-20 13:06:42 UTC
You don't need a scram or a sensor booster IMO. You are better off to fit 2x ECCM's as the faction navy often get there b4 Concord and they can get you jammed b4 you finish if u are solo ganking. ( assuming you are already low sec status )
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#16 - 2012-03-20 13:16:04 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun.

Herr Wilkus wrote:
+ knowing how to 'move' Concord


I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds?


Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target.

Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station.


Wasnt this considered a exploit?


No, you are thinking of 'recycling alts' to avoid the repercussions of low sec status that results from excessive Concord summoning.

Because your suicide alt is well on the way to -10, and proud of it, attacking someone in a noobship for the express purpose of summoning Concord is not an exploit. And it would be unenforceable even if it was.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#17 - 2012-04-14 07:35:51 UTC
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Killmail or it didn't happen:

This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker?


WoW. I simply have to reply to this old post. We are short before the release of the NEXT expansion, and you noticed NOW the changes they made to destroyers in crucible?

Yes, destroyers got buffed very much, they can do huge dps and are even less fragil than before. They are currently a good and cheap gank platform. You did notice the new tier 3 battlecruisers, did you? They can sometimes even kill several exhumers/ barges in a single gank.

Remove insurance.
Mr Morita
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2012-04-17 06:00:18 UTC
Tenris Anis wrote:
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Killmail or it didn't happen:

This is the KM in question. We are curious how a lone catalyst flown by an outlaw could solo a hulk and also get the pod before faction cops and concord shut him down. I flew an alt in Hulkageddon 2 and I remember having trouble taking down much more than a retriever in a solo destroyer. It just seems a little unbelievable. Is the guy running some kind of exploit or is he just a pro ganker?


WoW. I simply have to reply to this old post. We are short before the release of the NEXT expansion, and you noticed NOW the changes they made to destroyers in crucible?

Yes, destroyers got buffed very much, they can do huge dps and are even less fragil than before. They are currently a good and cheap gank platform. You did notice the new tier 3 battlecruisers, did you? They can sometimes even kill several exhumers/ barges in a single gank.

They can also do things like this.
Captain Sunnymuffins
Jita Customs and Excise
#19 - 2012-04-17 18:06:23 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Daisai wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Sarah FTGF wrote:
Hmmm...... Sounds like it might be time to dust off the ol' catalyst. Haven't ganked in a couple of years. Could be fun.

Herr Wilkus wrote:
+ knowing how to 'move' Concord


I've never heard of "moving concord." How does one do this to gain those critical extra seconds?


Attack something off-grid, or at least 150km away from your intended target.

Preferably in the 'free' noobship you just received by docking up in a station.


Wasnt this considered a exploit?


No, you are thinking of 'recycling alts' to avoid the repercussions of low sec status that results from excessive Concord summoning.

Because your suicide alt is well on the way to -10, and proud of it, attacking someone in a noobship for the express purpose of summoning Concord is not an exploit. And it would be unenforceable even if it was.



Unfortunately this was considered an exploit, categorised under the "boomerang tactic". It has since been resolved - you can no longer warp once you have incurred global criminal cooldown.
AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-04-17 19:12:54 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
I'm not going to sit here and teach carebears how to tank their Hulks....

but that Hulk fit would have been easily killed by a solo T2 Catalyst in 0.7 or 0.8 space, not just 0.5 space.

Destroyers were buffed.
Hybrids were buffed.

Catalyst received two large simultaneous upgrades to DPS.

700 DPS Catalyst + knowing how to 'move' Concord = 14 seconds in 0.7 and 19 seconds in 0.5.

Thats 10K average damage and 13.5K damage, respectively.
Further - your shot quality will be high vs such a large, fat, target, which means you'll have some well aimed (+25%) or excellent shots (50%) as well.

So, short answer - yes, a 1 Million ISK Catalyst + about 10M in mods and good skills can scrap your 230M-250M ISK Hulk.

I do not believe CCP needs to step in and change a single thing. The message is simple:

L2Tank or B killed 4 free.

OR: i like totally uninintended opportunities to get free KMs and "tears" so much that the whole idea of limiting my ability to get them would send me in a tantrum.
Tornado suiciding has perhaps some sense, but Catalyst is overly broken.
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