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PVE - Zealot, Absolution, or Legion?

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#1 - 2012-03-16 18:41:22 UTC
I have been forced to run some more missions to gain standing for an alt. The missions will be in Amarr space. I am currently dual-boxing - using two pilots to draw missions and either running two pilots through the same mission or running two simultaneous missions (depending on which I think is faster). One of the pilots I am using to get the missions is fully trained and focused for Amarr laser ships. While I do plan to cross train him, that is not an immediate solution.

Relevant skills: Amarr BS V, Amarr Cruiser V, Marauders V, HAC V, Command Ships V, and all Amarr subsystems to V. All energy weapon specs are to IV, with all turret support specs to V. All tank and core skills are V. He also has all leadership skills to V.

I have been using a Navy Armageddon for the missions thus far. It does a fine job and is a great ship. However, it moves relatively slowly and isn't ideal for speed running every mission. I want to try something new out. In some of the missions, it appears that I could use a smaller ship (lots of frigates and cruisers, gates are far apart, etc). For speed running, which do you think is my best option - Zealot, Absolution, or Legion?

The Zealot fit I came up with does 497 DPS at 44 km and omnitanks 149 DPS. Its signature radius is 125 and it goes 646 m/s.

Pros - cheapest hull, good range for missions
Cons - lowest DPS, no drone bay

The Absolution fit I came up with does 597 turret DPS at 29 km (Drones add another 97 DPS) and omnitanks 287 DPS. It runs a T2 armored warfare link. Its signature radius is 265 and it goes 450 m/s. The link has the advantage of also making my other character's ship better.

Pros - most max DPS, drone bay, T2 link
Cons - shortest range

The Legion fit I came up with does 537 DPS at 44 km and omnitanks 258 DPS. Its signature radius is 140 and it goes 673 m/s.

Pros - good range, more DPS than Zealot, more tank than Zealot
Cons - most expensive hull, no drone bay

For the sake of comparison, the Navy Geddon I have been using does 742 turret DPS at 45 km optimal (Drones add another 300 DPS) and omnitanks 302 DPS. It only does this kind of DPS when stationary (sentry drones). Its signature radius is 400 and it goes 350 m/s. The biggest problem with the Navy Geddon is that it has to be stationary to apply full DPS, targets slowly, aligns slowly.

I already have almost all the fittings sitting in a hangar somewhere. My planned fits are close enough that I could put the same modules on any of these ships. In a world where all I cared about is PVE, I would probably just buy all three hulls, but I don't want to be that guy. I'd prefer to run my missions as quickly as possible, have the most fun possible doing it, and then get back to losing Rifters at the rapid rate.

Anyone with experience flying these ships care to weigh in on this? Which of these, if any, should I get? Or should I just stick with the Navy Geddon? Or get a Navy Apoc? Or use my Paladin which is sitting in a station on the other side of the universe?

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#2 - 2012-03-16 18:48:27 UTC
You've Marauders V, get in a fcking Paladin.

"Nothing essential happens in the absence of noise." 

Ivory Kantenu
Apotheosis.
#3 - 2012-03-16 18:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivory Kantenu
I've flown all of these ships in PVE.

I can honestly say, your Omni #s for the Legion and Absolution seem a bit low. With Dual Rep Setups on either, you should be easily seeing in the mid - high 400s with low skillsets (Tech I Meta 4s, Faction Goods if you want to spend the isk.).

The Zealot is a good alterative if you intend to pay attention in missions (Not goofing around on another screen as you shoot things) as you CONSTANTLY need to get rid of any forms of tackle on you to survive.

Im assuming that these are Level 3/4 missions you'll be running on a constant basis, so the Zealot, imho, should be a last pick over the other two. The Absolution is a great medium ground. If you do have good leadership skills, get yourself a rapid repair module and set up to fleet boost, you should see great turn around.

The Legion has a high risk, but the greatest payout. Im not sure what kind of setup you run, but the one I ran was sitting somewhere in the mid 400s Omni, did around 500ish+ DPS and moved at around 530m/s. I was actually flying missions in Gallente space, and having little to no issue running anything outside of the harder ones such as Blockade L4 and Mordus Headhuntes L4 (Dread Pirate Scarlet as well, but I think I only ever did that twice).

I can give you the fitting I used if you want, though you seem to have a good starter idea on what to aim for. My suggestion for getting the Legions omni up, run 2 EANMs, 1 Thermic and 1 EM hardener. With one Tech II rep you should be seeing Mid - High 300s Omni easy, and set yourself up with 2x Aux Nano Pump and 1x Nanobot Accel rigs to get into the 400s. If youre running a 5 gun setup with 4 mids, Web, AB, 2 CRIIs. Cap should not be an issue.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-03-16 18:59:24 UTC
Legion is so worth it. I love flying that ship.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2012-03-16 21:02:32 UTC
Luba Cibre wrote:
You've Marauders V, get in a fcking Paladin.


Thank you for the feedback. I'm moving my Paladins over there already.

I'm still interested in any other feedback, since I think I can be more efficient using a smaller class ship in some of the missions. I'm leaning heavily towards the Absolution right now. It looks cool.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jam Doughnuts
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-16 21:24:33 UTC
I used to use a zealot for dps to help corp mates in plexes. Its only advantage over the other boats is its optimal range bonus.

I just got an abso for general pve.

I think it is awsome for the price, dps is so high dont really need to tank :)

Fit is:

6x heavy pulse II
1 x Salvager (for gravemetric sites) can swap for HAM launcher.

MWD
2 x whatever (tracking comp for optimal range, cap recharge)

EANM
EANM
DCU II
Med Armor rep
3 x heatsink

2 x Med aux nano pump

5 x hobgoblin II

more of a pvp fit cos i am too lazy to swap out for pve.

Pimp where you can.

With Drones and t2, I get get around 750 dps, close to 900 if pimped with faction.

Tank holds long enough. You could swap eanms for rat specific hardeners if you want.

Lower optimal than zealot, but with mwd you can close distance quick, cruiser turrets zap frigs quickly.

Havent flown Legion, but imagine you could get similar results for 4 times the cost. just my 2 cents
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#7 - 2012-03-16 21:27:24 UTC
Jam Doughnuts wrote:


Havent flown Legion, but imagine you could get similar results for 4 times the cost. just my 2 cents


That was sort of the impression I was getting.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Jam Doughnuts
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-16 22:12:12 UTC
obviously legion is more manouverable, but the abso isnt that bad.

I have been quite impressed with abso so far, everything just melts when you get in range Twisted
Jam Doughnuts
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-16 22:12:25 UTC
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Lady Aja
#10 - 2012-03-17 01:07:30 UTC
five words for you.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#11 - 2012-03-17 01:32:40 UTC
I already have a Nightmare that I fly with another account. I honestly don't like it that much for missions. I do love it for Incursions (although not as much as the Vindicator).

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#12 - 2012-03-19 01:29:35 UTC
Well, I decided on the Absolution and I've been flying it all weekend. It's quite a nice ship, although the range is a bit short for Level 4 missions. I also made my tank a bit on the light side, but so far I haven't had to warp out of any missions.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-03-19 04:32:15 UTC
With your skillset anything else but a paladin is foolish and subpar.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#14 - 2012-03-19 04:41:00 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Cedo Nulli wrote:
With your skillset anything else but a paladin is foolish and subpar.



I agree completely. Comparing anything to the Paladin, at least for Drones/Blood Raiders/Sanshas/Amarr Navy, is like comparing a Ford Fusion to a Ferrari.

Unfortunately, Red Frog only delivered one of my Paladins yesterday, so I made do with the Paladin on one account and the Navy Geddon/Absolution on the other. There are a few missions where the NPCs start close enough and are small enough that the Absolution performs well.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-19 07:13:41 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Cedo Nulli wrote:
With your skillset anything else but a paladin is foolish and subpar.



I agree completely. Comparing anything to the Paladin, at least for Drones/Blood Raiders/Sanshas/Amarr Navy, is like comparing a Ford Fusion to a Ferrari.

Unfortunately, Red Frog only delivered one of my Paladins yesterday, so I made do with the Paladin on one account and the Navy Geddon/Absolution on the other. There are a few missions where the NPCs start close enough and are small enough that the Absolution performs well.


On a complete segway here, is the ford fusion over there any good? We're getting it as the mondeo in 2013 and they've ripped off the Aston Martin front. It looks like a nice cheaper alternitive
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#16 - 2012-03-19 19:38:35 UTC
Absolution:

I used it only a bit for L4/L3, it got a bit more DPS on paper than the Legion/Zealot, however the later ones are just so much more flexible with the speed and the range that I rarely found the overall performance better for most L4 missions.

Zealot/Legion:

They are both good choices if you deal with lots of small ships and/or have the mission 3-4 jumps out. The lack of drones isn't a issue if you know the missions and slap on a web if you really need it(like in the 2. pocket of "Silence the informant"). The Zealot gets the job done but the extra tank, cap and dps of the Legion makes it a bit more enjoyable to fly. The huge optimal combined with the good speed making them very constant and smooth damage dealers, even with conflagration. Also they are a bit more fun to fly compared to the rather static sentry game play with battleships.

As for speed running, the Paladin and Nightmare will be quicker most of the time, by her raw DPS advantage.

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#17 - 2012-03-20 04:49:09 UTC
Argaral wrote:


On a complete segway here, is the ford fusion over there any good? We're getting it as the mondeo in 2013 and they've ripped off the Aston Martin front. It looks like a nice cheaper alternitive


To take it completely off topic - the Ford Fusion is not bad for a cheap car. My ex-fiance drove one. It got her from point A to point B, but there's nothing special about it.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Argaral
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-03-20 05:01:57 UTC
Thanks man, here it' called a mondeo. I'm just looking point a to b comfortably, so its that or a 300c....selling the audi as well, sick of it
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-03-20 07:53:05 UTC
Argaral wrote:
Thanks man, here it' called a mondeo. I'm just looking point a to b comfortably, so its that or a 300c....selling the audi as well, sick of it


Where is here?

Here (australia) Audi sucks for reliability and dealership trustworthiness

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