Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am still new to the game so please excuse my naivety (only been playing 6 months or so)


So this is the scenario. You have a nice 5 ship gang out on a roam in low/0.0 looking for targets. You find one. You go after it. Bingo!! He lights a cyno and a Super CAP ship with drops on your head. (yes this has happened to me). Now the 5 ship gang has no way to beat that (and righty so). But the points is. Carriers and Super Carriers are now used at the drop of a hat. they are far to common on the field. What should be a nice fight turns into a "HA HA YOU HAVE NO Carriers, you suck".

So I was thinking, It would be nice if there was a new module that say can only be fitted to a FORCE RECON (or something else) ship that would Cyno jam the system (Covert Cynos would still work) for a short period of time. Lets say 2 minutes. Or even make it a 2 or 3 ship job. Lets say 3 for now. So you would have 3 ships that would go and hide in the system. And they would each light a "Cyno Jammer". Now the game mechanics of this would mean that when a ship lights a "Portable CYNO JAMMER" It would have to stay still for that time period much like when a player lights a normal cyno. He is stuck in space and is unable to move or cloak. So he would be vulnerable. There also should be a heavy fuel system for this new module. Much like "liquid ozone" is needed for cynos. Just so you can limit the amount of "Portable CYNO JAMMER" fuel you carry.

Now for the counter. I Don't want to see the end of the Carrier hot drop. So a new module would be needed for the Carriers so that it could break a "Portable CYNO JAMMER" block. Now this module would be for Carriers only. Not Super Carriers. This module would be chance based. Meaning that if he tries to jump. He has a chance percentage of locking onto the the friendly cyno. The game mechanics for this would need to be sorted by somebody far smarter than me. As I have never owned a Carrier.

Lets move on to the Pros and Cons.

The Pros.

Small gangs will now able to go and have fights and not worry so much about "Hot drop o'clock"
Carriers would not be the end all of small gang warfare. They can still get on grid. Just not every time.
Carriers would be less effective as they have to mount a slot for breaking the "Portable CYNO JAMMER"
Would promote roles for BlackOps ships as they can still jump into a "Portable CYNO JAMMER" jammed system.

The Cons.

Would see the end of the Super Carrier hot drop. Up to a point (find the "Portable CYNO JAMMER" and destroy them and you can still get Super Carriers on grid.
Far more planning needed for big fleets ops.
I Have no idea what to do about dreadnoughts or Titans. They would end up as as just home guards for the big low/0.0 alliances.

Now I am sure they is much more to consider here. Far more then my small experiences of Eve can tell me.

So please feel free to add to this idea. Be it good or bad. Reasons for and against are all welcome.

Oddsodz

The above is with ruff numbers of ships. Does not have to be 3 ships. Could be just 1. That would all need to be balanced and tested.

This is also a "NEW" module. So in theroy would not work the same way as the current "Cyno Jammers" do.

They also only last for 2 minutes. ( again would need to be tested for game balanceing). And with a high fuel depndncey.

So a definding fleet would not have to wait too long to get on grid. And also like I have posted. There is still the chance of getting stuff on grid anyway. Just not 100% of the time.

But please do keep on with the postings. It will help work out what is good and what is bad

I think the idea of BlackOps was ment to do that anyway. But due to cost of ships and the long skll train. That has not worked out. Also the lack of logi support you can bring with a BlackOps fleet rules out this as a stand up option unless you can field a 500+ ship blob of BlackOps.


What I am trying to do is get a point where Carriers and Super Carriers are not used as a 1 stop shop for all small gang warfare.

This "New" "Portable CYNO JAMMER" system would not replace the current way or modules. Just reduce the amount of Carriers that get used in this manner.

And only for a short time. Like i said 2 minutis. If your gang/definding fleet can hold out for that time. then you can jump whatever you like. It's just a way of reduceing the amount of Carriers hot drops

Hi. I see your point but I must stress mine: You have to wear your opponent`s shoes.

How would you like it?

Limit the portable cnyo jammers to the grid they're in.

That way, the oppsing team still has the option to drop a cnyo off grid to bring in a fleet.

This gives the jamming team time to flee or blow something up before the supers get there.

This clears the problem with hot drops but still allows supers to go into those said systems.

A cyno jammer that jams the entire system is way too OP, just limit it to the grid.

lol ill just stick to my WH's, try to get a capital blob THERE, its really the only place where you can get good PVP without retarted hotdropping.

But having a bit of experience myself i like the anti cyno idea, but the real question is , what happens if they lit the cyno first, will your anti cyno disable it, even if so, will you light it before the caps jump? those are two key things to consider

give me this, but on a no cynos on the grid the cyno jamers in.


If you want you still get your cap ships but now you see them coming

I kinda like the idea. The on grid would work well to prevent the hiding in deadspace issues. Personally, I feel it would be almost like a battleship style dictor. Fits into that pathway. Being on grid only does prevent the mass hotdrop, but a proper fleet should still be able to get in and do a warp to without putting attackers or defenders at a too large of disadvantage. Best part would be it would be the two way street. Attackers for giving an advantage on a surprize attack, defenders can force the battle lines by combining with bubbles.

Theoretically, this could also seriously alter things like sniping fleets. Possible citing example.

Fleet A has a pos coming out of reinforcement, they can set up the portajam and bubbles. The Fleet B attackers will need to come in remotely meaning that a longer range combat will need to ensue. There would be a few ways to go about it.

1. Fleet B come in en masse, and move to bubbles, Fleet A can use snipers to pick off or station close attack on the bubble border.

2. Fleet B brings in smaller sniper squad with defences to pick off the Fleet A Cynojammers and then light the cyno.

Biggest annoyance is what you know will happen, is the 60 logistics on the bubble jammer. As such, fuel requirements would need to be manditory, and possibly force the ship imobile while jamming?

all this would be solved if there was just a little delay for cyno activation

why bother with new stuff which will be probably broken somehow :ccp:

Oh dear. The point here to get small gang warfare back. Right now is always "hot drop o'clock". Everybody and there grandma has a carrier now a days (apart form me lol). When somebody is willing to drop a carrier just too save 1 dommi against 5 battle cruisers. You know it's gone too far.