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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#141 - 2012-03-19 23:22:41 UTC
D Derp wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


I started my effort well before the election began. I definitely didn't start this thread to understand why folks didn't vote for me. I genuinely wanted to understand who the spamming for mittens were persuaded and if the spammers really felt the got traction.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


We post because most of the ideas that The Mittani has jive with our own.

As for gaining 'traction'? We do it partly to drum up votes, partly to generate comedy in the form of awful posts and threads from pubbies. #2 is far more successful than #1.


D Derp
Rifter Pilot
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub CEO


See, now that was a good reply!

Thanks!

Issler
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2012-03-19 23:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: D Derp
Issler Dainze wrote:
esc shk wrote:
Oh yes. Probably the most politically savvy player in the entire game getting elected by a clear margin is bad for the future of the game.

Dear Lord honey you and I need to have a talk


Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!

Issler


The reason that a goon gets such massive amounts of votes isn't because he can make a reasoned argument for already popular ideas when he feels like it, and it's not because he can socialize like a normal human being and network with other internet spaceship nerds.

It's the -~goon metagame~-



e: I post this because your post that I quoted was an example of the #2 reason that I spoke of earlier in the thread!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#143 - 2012-03-19 23:27:17 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".


Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself?


It is not directed at Hans, I am just explaining why I didn't create a ginormous bible of "Eve According to Issler" which a lot of people have criticized me for nor providing. Its not like I'm new to Eve, not active in the forums and in Eve itself. By now I should be somewhat of a known quantity. Hans seems to be a pretty decent candidate and I expect him to do well in this election.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

how do you mesh your belief you are a known quantity with your consistent failure to secure a real seat since csm2

wouldn't that imply eve has rejected you and will always do so

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#144 - 2012-03-19 23:27:48 UTC
D Derp wrote:

e: I post this because your post that I quoted was an example of the #2 reason that I spoke of earlier in the thread!

everything issler posts is it owns

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-03-19 23:29:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Triskian
Issler Dainze wrote:
Triskian wrote:
Y h'lo thar pubbies!

People like you would just continue to ignore the problems nullsec faces at best, and at worse, actively seek to make nullsec even worse than it already is. The Mittani wants to fix things all over the galaxy, he understands the problems people face everywhere, not just in their walled garden that they never leave.
t.


First, a shout to someone else from E&B.

I have no desire and have never stated that I am anti-null. In fact I have stated repeatedly null is where the very best rewards should be found. What I do believe and have stated repeatedly is Eve needs to be viewed in its entirety, not just one segment without regard to what affect it has on the others. It is the giant intertwined balance of the 'verse in Eve that makes this game so good.

So your premise about what I stand for and would seek to do to Eve is elected to the CSM 7 is flat out wrong. I could say the same for some of the other candidates as well, your impression on how they would affect in a negative Eve is also skewed.

What you will do getting Mittens elected by an even larger margin in fact will damage the CSM in the long run. CCP has already said they are concerned about the skewed nature of the CSM members and the a large portion of players actively oppose the CSM as they view it as yet another power block meta-game. Reelection of Mittens with record numbers just makes that even clearer.

But thanks for a reply, even if I think your logic is flawed and that you didn't bother to research anything I've posted or represent.

If I could I'd contract you a Tada O Heart Shield to thank you for your reply.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


I wasn't arguing that I don't think you want to fix nullsec, I was arguing that you don't really understand the problems you want to fix. At best you would ignore nullsec, at worst you'd actively seek to make it worse. Somewhere in the middle lies you, or at least what it would seem you stand for: unintentially making it worse by trying to fix it because you don't understand it.

I've been following your campaign from the start, remember Magnusian? That's one of my alts. I was going to list them all in my original post but ran out of room due to the size limit. Originally I had hoped you were one of the more level-headed and sane candidates and was willing to even toss you a vote from one my alt accounts, but you've spent almost your entire campaing sabotaging yourself.

And if we're going to go cherry-picking from my post, I'll leave this here:
Quote:

No one else has shown they have the balls, or really even the intelligence and capacity to lead this game in the direction it needs to go.


The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

PS I'm still single and rich, if you become my baby factory and quit eve I will buy you a flashy sportscar that goes vroom. I like cooking so I won't even make you cook dinner, unless you want to.
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-03-19 23:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: D Derp
Sorry, I forgot to do this.


Issler Dainze wrote:

But does anyone expect non-goon aligned or non-pro-goon pilots to be convinced to support him by the pro goon posts?

It seems pretty unlikely to me and in fact the volume of them might have a backlash.


They have supported him, and most people think eve-o is sort of a joke.

It's not like his platform is "delete all non-goonswarm titans" and "Give Deklein more tech moons"

e: I forgot a few more.

Delete CONCORD
All sec is nullsec
Ban all miners
esc shk
Okay Sax
#147 - 2012-03-19 23:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: esc shk
Issler. Honey

We didn't push for the titan nerf (okay lol we did, but Mittens didn't exactly coerce CCP into it if you read his posts on the matter)
We advocate nerfing of Technetium (We have a lot of it and we are far too rich because of it)
Mittens got brand new newbie ships

If you could point out three things that Goons/Mittens are pushing for that are an example of the "EVIL GOONIE METAGAME" I'll pull out a compass and carve 'fancy that' on my ****.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#148 - 2012-03-20 00:20:07 UTC
esc shk wrote:
Issler. Honey

We didn't push for the titan nerf (okay lol we did, but Mittens didn't exactly coerce CCP into it if you read his posts on the matter)
We advocate nerfing of Technetium (We have a lot of it and we are far too rich because of it)
Mittens got brand new newbie ships

If you could point out three things that Goons/Mittens are pushing for that are an example of the "EVIL GOONIE METAGAME" I'll pull out a compass and carve 'fancy that' on my ****.


Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't. I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM.

I generally don't wear a tinfoil hat so you'll have to ask someone else that has, just reporting what I see happening.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#149 - 2012-03-20 00:27:30 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".


Well, to address this comment which is obviously aimed at Hans (or at least partially), you realize the grand majority of the stuff in his platform is from the community itself?


It is not directed at Hans, I am just explaining why I didn't create a ginormous bible of "Eve According to Issler" which a lot of people have criticized me for nor providing. Its not like I'm new to Eve, not active in the forums and in Eve itself. By now I should be somewhat of a known quantity. Hans seems to be a pretty decent candidate and I expect him to do well in this election.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate

how do you mesh your belief you are a known quantity with your consistent failure to secure a real seat since csm2

wouldn't that imply eve has rejected you and will always do so


I ran this time because:

1. If you had followed my actions in this election I started out trying to create a "high sec" party. I was looking for like minded candidates. None stepped forward.
2. I truly feel that the plight of the miners in Eve (virtually ignored for the eight years I've actively played Eve) deserved some attention.
3. I knew going into this I am a long shot.
4. With the changes in the CSM, the opinions good and bad about CSM 6 more of Eve is becoming aware of the importance of the CSM. Most of those new folks are more aligned to candidates that support thier activities than many of the legacy candidates.

So yes, even though I knew I very well might not be elected I felt it was worth my time, because I believe more and more of Eve are beginning to believe that the CSM matters.

I am helping expand the player base that is paying attention, even if I don't win a seat I will leave this happy with the results. More folks took interest and supported a high sec mining candidate.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
esc shk
Okay Sax
#150 - 2012-03-20 00:51:07 UTC
"Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!" Issler ejaculates from her cake encrusted mouth

"Can you prove that it's a pawn in the meta-game " Says the devilishly handsome hero of the story, biceps rippling, shirt torn asunder

"Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't." Replies Issler, Backpedally furiously in an attempted to not get caught in her own PUPPEMASTA Webs "I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM. "

Of course you can neither confirm nor deny this can you Issler

PS - Lolololol
PPS - Might want to get your own narrative straight Issler Honey
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#151 - 2012-03-20 01:00:32 UTC
esc shk wrote:
"Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!" Issler ejaculates from her cake encrusted mouth

"Can you prove that it's a pawn in the meta-game " Says the devilishly handsome hero of the story, biceps rippling, shirt torn asunder

"Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't." Replies Issler, Backpedally furiously in an attempted to not get caught in her own PUPPEMASTA Webs "I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM. "

Of course you can neither confirm nor deny this can you Issler

PS - Lolololol
PPS - Might want to get your own narrative straight Issler Honey


First of all, the cake is a lie.

And very handsome indeed, but more of an anti-hero by my read.

The seductive space gypsy Issler Dainze, fires up Eve Forum search and points to our anti-hero the dozens of post in general about goon shenanigans in particular CSM meta gaming.

Then the sex kitten space gypsy challenges the anti-hero, now dripping with sweat to locate a single post where the heroine claimed goon meta-gaming. The anti-hero searches and searches finally destroying the keyboard in rage when his search has failed....

Soon, both of our characters are sipping space whiskey and pondering the outcome of the next alliance tournament.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
esc shk
Okay Sax
#152 - 2012-03-20 01:16:11 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
esc shk wrote:
"Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!" Issler ejaculates from her cake encrusted mouth

"Can you prove that it's a pawn in the meta-game " Says the devilishly handsome hero of the story, biceps rippling, shirt torn asunder

"Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't." Replies Issler, Backpedally furiously in an attempted to not get caught in her own PUPPEMASTA Webs "I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM. "

Of course you can neither confirm nor deny this can you Issler

PS - Lolololol
PPS - Might want to get your own narrative straight Issler Honey


First of all, the cake is a lie.

And very handsome indeed, but more of an anti-hero by my read.

The seductive space gypsy Issler Dainze, fires up Eve Forum search and points to our anti-hero the dozens of post in general about goon shenanigans in particular CSM meta gaming.

Then the sex kitten space gypsy challenges the anti-hero, now dripping with sweat to locate a single post where the heroine claimed goon meta-gaming. The anti-hero searches and searches finally destroying the keyboard in rage when his search has failed....

Soon, both of our characters are sipping space whiskey and pondering the outcome of the next alliance tournament.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


You'll find I've done nothing so debauched and debased as use the services of eve-search to follow up on my perfectly sound and logically foolproof arguments.

In order to settle our differences I propose we either Jelly wrestle at a future fanfest or have a Frigate Duel
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#153 - 2012-03-20 01:23:56 UTC
esc shk wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
esc shk wrote:
"Yes, you are right, reelection of Mittens will prove once and for all to those that think the CSM has become a goon meta-game they have nothing to fear!!" Issler ejaculates from her cake encrusted mouth

"Can you prove that it's a pawn in the meta-game " Says the devilishly handsome hero of the story, biceps rippling, shirt torn asunder

"Did I say I think he is "meta-gaming"? Looking carefully and I haven't." Replies Issler, Backpedally furiously in an attempted to not get caught in her own PUPPEMASTA Webs "I said their is a clear perception in a lot of the players minds the there is meta-gaming going on with the CSM. "

Of course you can neither confirm nor deny this can you Issler

PS - Lolololol
PPS - Might want to get your own narrative straight Issler Honey


First of all, the cake is a lie.

And very handsome indeed, but more of an anti-hero by my read.

The seductive space gypsy Issler Dainze, fires up Eve Forum search and points to our anti-hero the dozens of post in general about goon shenanigans in particular CSM meta gaming.

Then the sex kitten space gypsy challenges the anti-hero, now dripping with sweat to locate a single post where the heroine claimed goon meta-gaming. The anti-hero searches and searches finally destroying the keyboard in rage when his search has failed....

Soon, both of our characters are sipping space whiskey and pondering the outcome of the next alliance tournament.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate


You'll find I've done nothing so debauched and debased as use the services of eve-search to follow up on my perfectly sound and logically foolproof arguments.

In order to settle our differences I propose we either Jelly wrestle at a future fanfest or have a Frigate Duel



Big smile

I think something like that would a very good way to settle our differences! Can't make it to this fanfest but maybe a pub crawl to the death next fanfest!

Issler
Powers Sa
#154 - 2012-03-20 01:41:00 UTC
OP:
Quote:

Several years ago, EVE Online's Community Manager CCP Wrangler made a statement that I felt really crystalised the sentiment behind the game. He said that "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world."

source: massively.com

If you can't take the heat frog the F*** out.
:frogout:

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Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-03-20 01:47:04 UTC
At this point, I'd like t thank Issler. If nothing else her continued candidacy distracts goon trolls into posting here rather than in the threads of independant candidates that still have a shot. However, I fear she is at risk of becoming "damaged goods" in regards to next year's campaign. So, someone still in the fight, mail her a purple heart and a thanks card....
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#156 - 2012-03-20 01:52:24 UTC
[quote=Powers Sa]OP
[quote
Several years ago, EVE Online's Community Manager CCP Wrangler made a statement that I felt really crystalised the sentiment behind the game. He said that "EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world; it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." [/quote
source: massively.co

If you can't take the heat frog the F*** out
:frogout:[/quote

Uhm, never said I couldn't take the heat. I was asking a serious question. One of the most interesting things about Eve is how it changes the way folks behave. More than any other game I've ever encountered. I find that genuinely interesting

So when I see something like these elections and how folks set about to influence people there is a lot of opportunity to study the in game personas at their most active

Part of my activities in this election for example definitely were intended to see how politics in Eve has evolved. I tried to start a party, clearly, we aren't anywhere near where that is practical. I tried to rally some folks in game. Had some success, we have seen in game gatherings happen with real result.

That said I certainly take running for the CSM seriously and while doing that also got the opportunity to see the dynamics of the Eve community in a very in my face sort of way

So this thread was to actually ask some of the folks that make Eve a cold dark world what makes them tick, not for a future CSM election or to get vote, to actually satisfy my own sense of wonder at how Eve makes us all different

You can take the frog off the burner now

Issler Dainze
Fine with the Heat and the Cold and the Dark
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#157 - 2012-03-20 01:53:30 UTC
Kai Tel wrote:
At this point, I'd like t thank Issler. If nothing else her continued candidacy distracts goon trolls into posting here rather than in the threads of independant candidates that still have a shot. However, I fear she is at risk of becoming "damaged goods" in regards to next year's campaign. So, someone still in the fight, mail her a purple heart and a thanks card....


Well, I am always happy to help any way I can!

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-03-20 02:57:10 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:




And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".


Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate




You missed my point. The point of stating your ideas for the game is not because CCP will implement them. Any voter with half a brain knows that. The reason why it's not a bad idea to give some of your ideas is so we get to know you, namely:

What you identify as problems.
How you analyze the problem.
How you plan to solve the problem.
What you perceive as the advantages and disadvantages of said solution..

A proposal is a way of showing your expertise in an area.

For example your platform is based on being the miner's friend. This is meaningless.

What is the problem miners have? How do you plan to solve it? Lets run through some scenarios and you'll see what I actually mean.


"Miners keep getting ganked! I would make concord respond immediately to any attack on a miner and also mining barges should be invulnerable in highsec!"

This approach to improving miners would tell me you are a dumb pubbie with an unrealistic view of the game. I would not vote for you.

"Mining is hideously boring and rewards skill in no way, shape, or form. I would add minigames to mining whose skillful playing could increase mining yield while at the same time making mining interesting. Players would also have the option to mine as they do now. If we implement this at the same time a major push to ban mining bots occurs, mining would become a feasible profession and any shock to the market due to bots being banned could be offset by the implementation of bonus yields through the mini game."

This approach tells me that you think mining is boring, which automatically makes me think better of you. It tells me you understand mining's larger role in EVE and how to adjust mining in a positive manner that will benefit those who enjoy the profession while avoiding causing issues that negatively impact the rest of EVE.

"Kill all miners IRL."

You would get my vote for this one.




Do you see my point though? We need more than just a platform here, we need to see you're a human being capable of intelligent, critical thought that can interact well with others. If you can't provide this you don't deserve to be elected.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#159 - 2012-03-20 03:11:05 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:




And again, the CSM is not the"good idea faeries" of Eve. There are plenty of good ideas from not only me but the player base. In fact everyone that votes should ask themselves how much will a canidate that create huge multi-page bible of how Eve should be can be expected to listen to the players since they already "have Eve all figured out".


Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate




You missed my point. The point of stating your ideas for the game is not because CCP will implement them. Any voter with half a brain knows that. The reason why it's not a bad idea to give some of your ideas is so we get to know you, namely:

What you identify as problems.
How you analyze the problem.
How you plan to solve the problem.
What you perceive as the advantages and disadvantages of said solution..

A proposal is a way of showing your expertise in an area.

For example your platform is based on being the miner's friend. This is meaningless.

What is the problem miners have? How do you plan to solve it? Lets run through some scenarios and you'll see what I actually mean.


"Miners keep getting ganked! I would make concord respond immediately to any attack on a miner and also mining barges should be invulnerable in highsec!"

This approach to improving miners would tell me you are a dumb pubbie with an unrealistic view of the game. I would not vote for you.

"Mining is hideously boring and rewards skill in no way, shape, or form. I would add minigames to mining whose skillful playing could increase mining yield while at the same time making mining interesting. Players would also have the option to mine as they do now. If we implement this at the same time a major push to ban mining bots occurs, mining would become a feasible profession and any shock to the market due to bots being banned could be offset by the implementation of bonus yields through the mini game."

This approach tells me that you think mining is boring, which automatically makes me think better of you. It tells me you understand mining's larger role in EVE and how to adjust mining in a positive manner that will benefit those who enjoy the profession while avoiding causing issues that negatively impact the rest of EVE.

"Kill all miners IRL."

You would get my vote for this one.




Do you see my point though? We need more than just a platform here, we need to see you're a human being capable of intelligent, critical thought that can interact well with others. If you can't provide this you don't deserve to be elected.


But, but... she's the miner's friend! Cry

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2012-03-20 04:18:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Triskian
If I recall correctly, sidus, Issler's idea for fixing mining is basically to have mobile refineries you can drag to a belt and to also give non-capitals the ability to compress ore. This goes back to my earlier point of her being outright harmful (if unintentionally so) to nullsec mining given how these two things would benefit hisec the most while making the rorqual effectively more worthless than it already is with regards to it's intended usage in both low and null. She claims to have all areas of the game in mind yet her ideas are not well thought out.