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SOTF / WBR and the PL Titan Kill And the Moaners

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Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#1 - 2012-03-19 15:42:24 UTC
OK first of all, Mad props to Lock Out, First General, Tekitha and a number of others for making this happen (Ammon Dei, Red Squad to name just a couple) – A LOT of work went on behind the scenes to make this work.

Now, to all the moaners and whingers complaining about not being involved with this........get a grip for gods sake.

2 corps pulled this off, Shadows Of The Federation and Wolfsbrigade (with the addition of a few very close friends who made the difference between it being successful or not) and it had to be done this way to minimise the chance of the plan being leaked.

There were less than 10 people who knew what was being planned and both corps purposely didn’t tell our own corp members what was going on, even as we were moving all the pieces into place.

How many of your own corp members would jump into 3 billion isk + ships and being told to insure cos you are going to die and do it no questions asked, how many of your own corp members would fly 15-20 jumps in there pods without being told why other than just because we said to do so with no explanation, how many corps members would keep comms discipline from beginning to end and do exactly what they were told to do, I could go on and on about this.

SOTF and WBR have a long history of being friends, enemies, emo falling out and in all honesty couldn’t play the game in 2 more different ways that how each corp operates and gets results.

However after all this is said and done we have a massive mutual respect and trust of each other (banter aside) and there are not many corps in this game who are enemies and shoot each other in the face 99% of the time who can pull something like this off and more importantly have the trust in each other to be able to make it work.

This was probably the most expensive fleet ever assembled within Faction warfare which was implemented by (arguably) the 2 biggest and most successful EU corps in any of the militias and the plan worked thanks to the factors above.

Also, Big props to PL for taking this in the way they have done, they get a lot of stick and negativity generally but in this instance have been fantastic in there response to us and we FW noobs appreciate it.

Instead of whining to everyone else about why you weren’t involved look at in the mirror and ask yourself the same question, respect, relationships and teamwork are earned and not freely handed out just because we share the same factions.

Gallactica – CEO
Shadows Of The Federation
Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#2 - 2012-03-19 15:57:50 UTC
I think people are just miffed that there was some planning to do it as all 4 militias and then you two go off and do it alone. But to be honest, **** the haters, **** got done and that is all that matters in my opinion, so big ups to SOTF and W-BR. Its a win for Faction Warfare, as much as the haters are trying to denigrate it. BearPirateBlink

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#3 - 2012-03-19 16:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: FIRST GENERAL
I fully endorse Gallactica's message.

Since not that many people read the wolfsbrigade homepage where i've made two posts about the operation i'd like credits to go to:

to Lock Out - massive love and respect!
to Tekitha - love you too ;)
to SOTF and Gallactica in particular for being a great guy.

as well as a shout out to the other supporting pilots in our fleet who are not called out by name here.

Last but not least :

Shout out to PL - who, like Gallactica said above, usually get a lot of stick but are being massive sports about this.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#4 - 2012-03-19 18:42:08 UTC
Its amazes that the people who lost the Titan have been cooler about it than people that never got onto the Kill. Thank god im not a diplo and don't have to listen to such things first hand.

It happened if you were there your happy if not, move on ffs. Theres always next time, war is what we do and as such there is always something to kill.

I would say more but my attitude towards diplo issues is a general "Go **** yourself" which is the second reason Im not one.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#5 - 2012-03-19 19:14:14 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
...

This was probably the most expensive fleet ever assembled within Faction warfare which was implemented by (arguably) 2 of the biggest and most successful EU corps in any of the militias and the plan worked thanks to the factors above.

...

Gallactica – CEO
Shadows Of The Federation



Fixed that for you :P.
Props to SOTF, Red Squad (XDMR in particular. Long time no see.) and the few guys from Zero Heavy (0000) etcetc for getting the titan kill.
As Vordak said before, The bitterness stems from a group idea being carried out without half the group.

I personally think this event is going to hurt the militia more than it does PL.
Because, ya know, Titan Replaced or Pilot Purged already most likely.

But Bridges burnt between FCs and CEOs are hard to fix.
I'll be interested to see how this goes. Gotta refill this bucket of popcorn, though.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#6 - 2012-03-19 19:17:42 UTC
I WAS THERE! Lol

I simply got lucky and got on at the right time to fill a HIC role...as stated going 15 jumps via high sec in a shuttle without asking questions and was happy doing it knowing it was going to be some sort of epic supercap kill. Big thanks to the SOTF crew for letting me in and Ammon for getting together the few USTZ guys we had on that early and getting us in on the op. I can only imagine the amount of planning and forethought that went in to setting this up. Mad props to SOTF and WBR!

Be happy FW pulled this off, even if you were not there.

nom nom

Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#7 - 2012-03-19 19:29:16 UTC
FW has always been a fun political landscape. Congrats on the Titan, it's about time! I'm only sorry I couldn't suicide my dread into it!

May the Space lanes be good o you!
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-19 19:41:27 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
I think people are just miffed that there was some planning to do it as all 4 militias and then you two go off and do it alone. But to be honest, **** the haters, **** got done and that is all that matters in my opinion, so big ups to SOTF and W-BR. Its a win for Faction Warfare, as much as the haters are trying to denigrate it. BearPirateBlink


No. People are pissed because they were left out of the loop, and rightly so. There are so many alts/spies in the militias that it's impossible to keep a secret a true secret. GalMil Intel has been compromised and had been for a while. Amarrr intel channels were compromised before I joined. People are so pissy when they get left out of an op, then whine because of it. FlyingHotPocket's posts on the mail are a great indicator of this, though the little c*nt has a history of emo'ing out when he's ignored.

People don't get that operational security is what matters in an op like this. WBR and SOTF are two of the best faction warfare corporations out there, and it's because of them that faction warfare was just put on the map. Taking a fleet against a PL Titan is one thing. Killing it and knowing you're going to die, and then offering a GF in local? That takes balls on a massive scale, and I think it is safe to say that right now, a lot of null sec alliances are looking at this kill and hitting themselves because they lack the ability to create tactics and strategies on the fly.

I'm not in FW anymore, but if I was and was left out, you know what? F*ck it, I'd tell you good job, no hard feelings. I don't care if I'm involved in the kill, but seeing something like this happen is awesome, and you should be proud of yourselves.

Let people like FLyingHotPocket whine and hate. Haters gonna hate. But you have a Titan kill that is legit, and all they can do is look at it and whine (or in Pocket's case, doctor some).

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#9 - 2012-03-19 19:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallactica
@ Mystical Knight - no-one asked SOTF or invited us to a "meeting" to discuss anything.

Are any of us whining about that? Nope, really don't give a rats ass either tbh.

Plus there has to be bridges there to be burnt in the first place......

People are being way too anal about this.

Also killing a PL Titan does put us in the "successful" catagorey within FW, how does your CV look?
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#10 - 2012-03-19 19:54:17 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
@ Mystical Knight - no-one asked SOTF or invited us to a "meeting" to discuss anything.

Are any of us whining about that? Nope, really don't give a rats ass either tbh.

Plus there has to be bridges there to be burnt in the first place......

People are being way too anal about this.


"Props to SOTF ..."
(It's Mystical Might btw).

YSOMAD? :P

G'damn. If you're going to be butt-hurt over the recognition of your actions, whatever.
You didn't have to be involved in the planning. W-BR and You are butt buddies. It's obvious if anything were to happen, SOTF Would be brought along no matter what.

I personally wasn't involved in any planning between groups, meerly 'an' FC.
There were plenty of bridges connecting various FCs of various militias, as far as I'm concerned.
Many weren't afraid to share their thoughts on possible plans with each other.

I'm not an FC. I cba with you scrubs.
I was just pointing out, many FCs and CEOs aren't going to like what happened, and so this will linger in their memories when they next wish to share any viable plans they have that involves intermilitia co-operation. Blink
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#11 - 2012-03-19 19:55:00 UTC
Gallactica wrote:


People are being way too anal about this.


Pretty much. Everyone just wants to Monday Morning Quarterback this op in all its minutiae. Ignore the haters.

I doubt this puts FW on the map. Killing a titan will give these two corps a few extra members but beyond the 15 minutes of fame, people aren't going to join FW thinking they will get kills like these on a constant basis. If you're a FW pilot, killing a Titan is a once in a lifetime opportunity. So don't join FW thinking this is a daily occurrence. It's not.

If anything, SOTF and WBR are fine examples of what FW is; a bit of everything.

One moment, you're killing dessies in a plex and giving yourself combat experience without getting blobed.
Another moment, you're in a BC gang going against neutrals.
In another, you're on comms waiting for the greenlight to slug it out against a well known pie gang and their cap fleet.
And in those once a blue moon occasions, you will get in on a kill like this.

FW is what you make of it.


High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#12 - 2012-03-19 19:58:47 UTC
Crappy I phone posting ftl!

Sorry Mysteriousness, wasn't being mad mate just commenting :)
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-19 20:05:04 UTC
Props to Wolfie and Shadows for their win. Smile Any win for FW is a win in my book, whoever makes it happen.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#14 - 2012-03-19 20:13:58 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Crappy I phone posting ftl!

Sorry Mysteriousness, wasn't being mad mate just commenting :)


Now that's an alright name. I'm happy with Mysteriousness.
Want to buy name change. Make it happen!

But srsly, GJGJ.
Inb4 PL goes on bitterhissyfit and reinforces all the FW towers.
Didn't want those towers anyway.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-03-19 20:20:08 UTC
Mystical Might wrote:

Inb4 PL goes on bitterhissyfit and reinforces all the FW towers.


I think they are probably pretty chill about the whole thing, this guy was in BDIC after all.

Mad props on the kill, have they become less super gate campy yet? Pirate
Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#16 - 2012-03-19 21:48:22 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
I think people are just miffed that there was some planning to do it as all 4 militias and then you two go off and do it alone. But to be honest, **** the haters, **** got done and that is all that matters in my opinion, so big ups to SOTF and W-BR. Its a win for Faction Warfare, as much as the haters are trying to denigrate it. BearPirateBlink


No. People are pissed because they were left out of the loop, and rightly so. There are so many alts/spies in the militias that it's impossible to keep a secret a true secret. GalMil Intel has been compromised and had been for a while. Amarrr intel channels were compromised before I joined. People are so pissy when they get left out of an op, then whine because of it. FlyingHotPocket's posts on the mail are a great indicator of this, though the little c*nt has a history of emo'ing out when he's ignored.

People don't get that operational security is what matters in an op like this. WBR and SOTF are two of the best faction warfare corporations out there, and it's because of them that faction warfare was just put on the map. Taking a fleet against a PL Titan is one thing. Killing it and knowing you're going to die, and then offering a GF in local? That takes balls on a massive scale, and I think it is safe to say that right now, a lot of null sec alliances are looking at this kill and hitting themselves because they lack the ability to create tactics and strategies on the fly.

I'm not in FW anymore, but if I was and was left out, you know what? F*ck it, I'd tell you good job, no hard feelings. I don't care if I'm involved in the kill, but seeing something like this happen is awesome, and you should be proud of yourselves.

Let people like FLyingHotPocket whine and hate. Haters gonna hate. But you have a Titan kill that is legit, and all they can do is look at it and whine (or in Pocket's case, doctor some).


Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their **** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". **** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#17 - 2012-03-19 22:07:43 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:
I think people are just miffed that there was some planning to do it as all 4 militias and then you two go off and do it alone. But to be honest, **** the haters, **** got done and that is all that matters in my opinion, so big ups to SOTF and W-BR. Its a win for Faction Warfare, as much as the haters are trying to denigrate it. BearPirateBlink



... Slapping and slurping sounds...



Ok, I'm sorry (and I don't want to degrade what SOTF and W-BR have done here, I've already said it deserves some big ups), but can you get off their **** please? It's kind of offensive to all the other major players in all four factions saying that the actions of two corps have single-handedly made FW "good" or whatever you were implying about us now being "on the map". **** that, there are lots of good pilots in FW, not just SOTF and W-BR.



Lol'd, but seconded.
They may be two well organized, strong corps, but they don't represent the militia as a whole.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#18 - 2012-03-19 22:13:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallactica
Not being funny but it's everyone else that's turned this into some sort of militia focus not us.

We are just 2 corps that had the balls to make actions speak louder than words, nothing more nothing less.

Other corps in fw seem to be the ones championing it being some sort of fw militia crusade and strangley enough they seem to be the most butthurt ones, go figure.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#19 - 2012-03-19 22:17:00 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
I WAS THERE! Lol
Many thanks to you (alliance) and Ammon (corp) for putting our KB efficiency through the roof!

Oh yeah, thanks to WBR and SOTF for their minor roles in this fight.
Vordak Kallager
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#20 - 2012-03-19 22:22:27 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
Not being funny but it's everyone else that's turned this into some sort of militia focus not us.

We are just 2 corps that had the balls to make actions speak louder than words, nothing more nothing less.

Other corps in fw seem to be the ones championing it being some sort of fw militia crusade and strangley enough they seem to be the most butthurt ones, go figure.


tl;dr- WBR/SOTF are too cool for FW.

Mate, if you don't want to be associated with FW, just leave FW. Blink

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

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