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Retooling PLEX to Cure Inflation Forever
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-03-19 19:42:26 UTC
Why are people taking this guy seriously?
Doomhowler II Augustus
Incestuous Cult of Paranoid Swamp People
#22 - 2012-03-19 19:43:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Doomhowler II Augustus
masternerdguy wrote:
They are paying to raise the cap on total isk in circulation in the entire game for everyone!.

it's like opening the portal to outland all again

those were the days


also emptyquotin':
baltec1 wrote:
Why are people taking this guy seriously?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-03-19 19:45:46 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Since there is a misunderstanding the player that bought the plex gets no isk or game time! They are paying to raise the cap on total isk in circulation in the entire game for everyone!

Oh God...it's you again. Well...if you are going to start posting again, would you mind using some proper punctuation? This makes my eyes bleed. Wouldn't hurt if you had something to say that made sense too.

Not a Troll, but constructive criticism. Thanks!

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Jita Alt666
#24 - 2012-03-19 19:53:22 UTC
Socialism in my hypercapitalist universe?

Please post all your thoughts and Ideas in new threads in GD so they are easy to identify.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-03-19 20:21:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Why are people taking this guy seriously?




Ignorance/boredom/trying to disprove other people that actually support what he says despite it being obviously a joke.

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#26 - 2012-03-19 20:25:45 UTC
Hahahaha...

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#27 - 2012-03-19 20:28:07 UTC
Please listen to the morning report. Here: http://www.evemorningreport.themumm.com/?p=150

Please read the dev blog. Here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9115

The increase in money supply isn't doing anything! We need more velocity to make inflation happen! Also, we've been experiencing a deflation since '07. So this inflation that's been happening in the short term is only slightly countermanded the years of deflation
Rao Kappa
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-19 20:37:13 UTC
This post was so ridiculous it made go outside and punch a unicorn, but not before I donated one horn to that unicorn so I could expand the amount of horns in that unicorn's economy.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2012-03-19 20:41:55 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Please listen to the morning report. Here: http://www.evemorningreport.themumm.com/?p=150

Please read the dev blog. Here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9115

The increase in money supply isn't doing anything! We need more velocity to make inflation happen! Also, we've been experiencing a deflation since '07. So this inflation that's been happening in the short term is only slightly countermanded the years of deflation


Not sure if trollin or stupid...
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-03-19 20:43:26 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Since there is a misunderstanding the player that bought the plex gets no isk or game time! They are paying to raise the cap on total isk in circulation in the entire game for everyone!

This is the solution to all EVE's economic woes: We need a finite amount of isk in the game. No new isk exits, no old isk leaves. If a ship dies the exact cost of the ship and its modules (recorded in the database as transactions) will be put back into the EVE economy. When the max amount of isk in circulation is reached, bounties missions and all isk faucets will stop and only player to player market trading will be allowed.

But wouldn't the game stagnate?

Nope! Instead of selling PLEX on the market or redeeming it for game time PLEX will be the only way of injecting new isk into the economy. Right now PLEX is used for game time or sold for isk and redeemed as game time. I want PLEX to become a donation to the EVE economy.

Every PLEX would add 1 billion isk to the max amount of isk in circulation for the entire economy. This means there can be no inflation because nobody is going to spend real money on PLEX if they can still make money.

Since players have to pay to benefit the entire economy, there will be no inflation. Inflation would be detrimental to their real world wallets.

Taedrin wrote:
Welcome back masternerdguy.

Unfortunately, i will have to disagree with you - you are essentially asking to turn PLEX into full fledged RMT - e.g. golden ammo which caused the Summer of Rage in the first place.

EVE's economy is fine as it is - people are just complaining about high PLEX prices.


Incorrect. The player that bought the plex doesn't get any isk. They are paying to raise the max amount of isk available to all players.


Good job, you've made me want WIS and the NEX store in hopes that it will once more drive you away.

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#31 - 2012-03-19 21:40:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Please listen to the morning report. Here: http://www.evemorningreport.themumm.com/?p=150

Please read the dev blog. Here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9115

The increase in money supply isn't doing anything! We need more velocity to make inflation happen! Also, we've been experiencing a deflation since '07. So this inflation that's been happening in the short term is only slightly countermanded the years of deflation


Not sure if trollin or stupid...


Look, inflation is driven by velocity and money supply. We've had an increase in money supply with a nominal velocity correlation. So, yes there is lots of isk. But no, is not been a long term increase in velocity.
Skex Relbore
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-19 21:42:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Skex Relbore
baltec1 wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Please listen to the morning report. Here: http://www.evemorningreport.themumm.com/?p=150

Please read the dev blog. Here: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9115

The increase in money supply isn't doing anything! We need more velocity to make inflation happen! Also, we've been experiencing a deflation since '07. So this inflation that's been happening in the short term is only slightly countermanded the years of deflation


Not sure if trollin or stupid...


Well I know the answer to this question as it applies to you....Yes.

While I don't agree with all of Hexxes's assertions (mainly I think he's ignoring the material input side of the eve economy as well as this silly idea that EVE is a "realistic" economy simulator) at least he's smart enough to understand that inflation isn't a bad thing.

Prices have been primarily flat right up to the introduction of PI (note PI not incursions) which removed an unlimited supply of fixed price goods and replaced them with a limited supply of market priced goods. So obviously you were going to get some price volatility out of that change yes things settled at a slightly higher price point but that's only to be expected since due to the knock on effects of PI introduction. things then hummed along right to the 23rd of December 2011 when we got the big price jump that has everyone in a tizzy today with their "OMG TEH inflation".

The fact that this corresponds to the start of two huge null sec wars that have a huge effect on the supply of key goods to the economy seems to be lost on you all.
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-19 21:49:12 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
If a ship dies the exact cost of the ship and its modules (recorded in the database as transactions) will be put back into the EVE economy. When the max amount of isk in circulation is reached, bounties missions and all isk faucets will stop and only player to player market trading will be allowed.


ok i'm not even going to start telling you why that is a completely fuc*ed up idea since i'm not really interested in argueing with a troll.

Instead i'll just go ahead and point you to your mistakes, you then can rethink everything, post again and then let people again fall for your troll....

so here is your mistake: When a ship "dies" no isk is lost. If you increase the max amount of isk by the cost of the ships and modules that die every day you dont have a max. amount anyways. Every ship you buy is bought from another player, every module you buy is bought from another player. that means no isk leaves the system if that ship gets blown up. Everything that leaves is just minerals for which the miners got payed and they keep those isk... So raising the max. amount by the "cost" of each ship will just make sure that the max. isk amount will never be reached ingame because the max. amount will increase faster than isk is generated by isk faucets

now get some idea about how everything works, maybe while you think about that you will notice that your idea is ****** up and noone has to continue to argue with you....
Szilardis
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#34 - 2012-03-19 21:58:50 UTC
I don't even know who you are and I'm ready for you to go back on vacation.
Adunh Slavy
#35 - 2012-03-19 21:58:56 UTC
The question everyone should be asking is, why aren't prices going up, why haven't they been going up since 2007? Answer that and win a prize, the secret to solving the problem.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#36 - 2012-04-13 19:03:16 UTC
math is not strong with this one.... ignore.

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AureoBroker
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-04-13 19:34:12 UTC
What is this i don't even
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#38 - 2012-04-13 19:53:04 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Since there is a misunderstanding the player that bought the plex gets no isk or game time! They are paying to raise the cap on total isk in circulation in the entire game for everyone!
.


That sentence ... it looks like somebody wrote something really intelligent... and then put it through Babelfish back and forth a few times.

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-04-13 19:53:37 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Since there is a misunderstanding the player that bought the plex gets no isk or game time! They are paying to raise the cap on total isk in circulation in the entire game for everyone!
.


That sentence ... it looks like somebody wrote something really intelligent... and then put it through Babelfish back and forth a few times.


How would you have said it?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#40 - 2012-04-13 20:25:03 UTC

When ignorance instils confidence: Classic example of Dunning-Kruger effect.
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