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Just had a guy try and kick down our door!
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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-19 18:02:49 UTC
You can't go off numbers alone you have to take into account "per capita". Last I checked Switzerland has a hugely armed populous for their army reserve yet very very low crime, or gun crime. (Less than the UK overall.) So social factors come into play. If you also look it's higher in the southwest near the border states with mexico because the drug war stuff spills over.

Then look at africa... Somalia/Ethiopia aren't even registering yet they experience great violence....Also afghanistan.

Even with the prevalence of firearms other nations are also higher or with are lower. Firearms are merrily a tool, and not the underlying cause.
Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-19 18:07:36 UTC
how'd this post go from 'my door almost got kicked in' to 'who has the most gun/crime

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#23 - 2012-03-19 18:20:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Yoma Karima wrote:
how'd this post go from 'my door almost got kicked in' to 'who has the most gun/crime



You must be new to OOPE Gun threads. Just the word gun triggers 12 pages of thermal nuclear radioactive mud slinging.



Kattshiro wrote:
Then look at africa... Somalia/Ethiopia aren't even registering yet they experience great violence....Also afghanistan.


The anti-gun forum posters will use the old standby that if they aren't a 1st world country they do not count. It'll be a bunch of crap about us supposedly having higher standards and being more civilized. Personally to me a bullet from the gun of a 3rd world citizen is just as effective as a bullet of a 1st world citizen.

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Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-03-19 18:39:54 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
how'd this post go from 'my door almost got kicked in' to 'who has the most gun/crime


Shh...just let it happen.

Also the brits and Spanish really really...really dislike the notion of gun ownership...Also like one Canadian guy. Then you get crazed American gun nuts (the guys who own dozens of guns) will rebut with some preventive stories, and hyperbole of overthrowing a "soon to be" islamofacistnazi1984commieica... or some sort of rebellion.
Jimmy Luv
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-03-19 19:03:35 UTC
The question on my mind is......

Why was you waiting the other side of the door for this drunken guy to enter when your wife was stood beside you?

Not sure how you react to things but i know that if i was in your shoes i would of told my wife to go to another room and opened the door and kicked the living **** out the guy for threatening myself but especially my wife, jeez i would of seen red!!!

Also drop the weapons mate, real men use there fists.
Mary Mercer
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-03-19 19:04:06 UTC
Police report scans or it didn't happen.

Internet Karate is so epic.
Mary Mercer
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-03-19 19:04:40 UTC
Jimmy Luv wrote:
The question on my mind is......

Why was you waiting the other side of the door for this drunken guy to enter when your wife was stood beside you?

Not sure how you react to things but i know that if i was in your shoes i would of told my wife to go to another room and opened the door and kicked the living **** out the guy for threatening myself but especially my wife, jeez i would of seen red!!!

Also drop the weapons mate, real men use there fists.



Because he's full of it most likely. :)
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-03-19 19:35:05 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
[quote=Merin Ryskin][quote=Jhagiti Tyran]

One look at the US national crime statistics, compared to other occidental countries with gun control, suggest that criminals aren't feeling much dettered. As for your first point, the average criminal run as soon as he hear ANY sound of someone being awake.


Take a look at that map:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Homicide-world.png

Half of the US states have more than 5 times the number of homicides of Europe. Just where exactly is the detterent?

You can also notice that murder rates seem to concentrate on southern states. Aren't they the one that are most favorables to guns? Coïncidence, or pattern?



Violent crime in the states isn't what you would think. Those types of shooting are typically limited to a small area in a city where you know you shouldn't be in the first place (no one here is likely living in one of those communities). Gun violence in those cases is from STOLEN guns and are typically the result of people going after their neighbors.

As was said above, residential areas where most people are armed have are much less likely to have violent confrontations. And when I said most people are armed I mean most people are legally armed, that goes right out the window with those carrying illegal firearms.

To the OP, I am happy there wasn't a real confrontation, owning a shotgun is the best way to go, get a gun safe and keep it loaded.

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Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-03-19 20:21:34 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
[quote=Shadowsword][quote=Merin Ryskin][quote=Jhagiti Tyran]

To the OP, I am happy there wasn't a real confrontation, owning a shotgun is the best way to go, get a gun safe and keep it loaded.


second that. Also if you just want a gun for home deffence and you don't want something as large as a shot gun i recomend a revolver .38 or .45. they are easy to keep if your not gun savy, they also have less of a chance of going through a wall and hiting your neighbor as they dump all their energy inyo the first thing they hit. remember to take the gun safty course and get a cleaning kit.

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Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-03-19 20:36:09 UTC
Mary Mercer wrote:
Jimmy Luv wrote:
The question on my mind is......

Why was you waiting the other side of the door for this drunken guy to enter when your wife was stood beside you?

Not sure how you react to things but i know that if i was in your shoes i would of told my wife to go to another room and opened the door and kicked the living **** out the guy for threatening myself but especially my wife, jeez i would of seen red!!!

Also drop the weapons mate, real men use there fists.



Because he's full of it most likely. :)


Could also be disabled. Not sure where i got that notion though.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2012-03-19 20:50:30 UTC
Something Random wrote:
Mary Mercer wrote:
Jimmy Luv wrote:
The question on my mind is......

Why was you waiting the other side of the door for this drunken guy to enter when your wife was stood beside you?

Not sure how you react to things but i know that if i was in your shoes i would of told my wife to go to another room and opened the door and kicked the living **** out the guy for threatening myself but especially my wife, jeez i would of seen red!!!

Also drop the weapons mate, real men use there fists.



Because he's full of it most likely. :)


Could also be disabled. Not sure where i got that notion though.


I'd say smart. Let the guy tire himself out battering down the doorBlink
Iskawa Zebrut
Smoke to Train - Train to Smoke
#32 - 2012-03-19 22:33:54 UTC
OP has the right idea

Anyone that willfully invades a home is, in my opinion, fair game. If someone breaks into mine, I will not hesitate to give them a real reason to not try it again.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-03-19 22:50:02 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:

To the OP, I am happy there wasn't a real confrontation, owning a shotgun is the best way to go, get a gun safe and keep it loaded.



Yeah, keeping a gun loaded is a great way to have your kid kill himself...


If you want a firearm that badly, you should at least observe the minimal safety rules and keep the weapon and it's ammos in different places. Even I know that.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-03-19 22:59:57 UTC
A TASER and tear gas are two potential alternatives that could work better than a gun for home defense and can prove more portable when you need to go out at a bad hour. This is particularly true of you live in an urban area rather than a rural one now. If I were still living out on the farm, I'd most certianly have kept a shotgun though.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#35 - 2012-03-19 23:05:18 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
If you want a firearm that badly, you should at least observe the minimal safety rules and keep the weapon and it's ammos in different places. Even I know that.


Did you notice the part where he said "keep it in a locked gun safe"? You know, that thing that keeps it 100% safe from kids AND, unlike storing the gun and ammo separately, allows you to have it ready to use quickly enough to matter in a self defense situation?

Kai Tel wrote:
A TASER and tear gas are two potential alternatives that could work better than a gun for home defense and can prove more portable when you need to go out at a bad hour. This is particularly true of you live in an urban area rather than a rural one now. If I were still living out on the farm, I'd most certianly have kept a shotgun though.


Except they aren't. Tasers don't work through thick clothing, and tear gas will often just make the attacker really mad at you (especially if they're on drugs, have had military/police experience with tear gas, etc) and has a high chance of blowing back on YOU instead of your attacker.

And then there's the question of why you're using lethal force in a situation where lethal force is justified, but trying to do things halfway. If you're justified in using any weapon, then priority #1 is to stop the attacker, and guns are by far the best way to do that. On the other hand, if you aren't justified in stopping the attacker by putting a bullet through their head, you are NOT justified in using tasers/tear gas/etc.
ReptilesBlade
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-03-20 03:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ReptilesBlade
Hello all! Thank you for all the concern and nice posts. We have had no more trouble at present and have not seen the guy again. We do not know what happened after the cops took him away but my wife and I suspect it was a solid overnight to twenty four hour stay in the drunk tank/jail for at minimum being drunk in public and disturbing the peace whether they added the attempted break in or not.

We are so happy this turned out to have a good ending.

Jimmy Luv wrote:
The question on my mind is......

Why was you waiting the other side of the door for this drunken guy to enter when your wife was stood beside you?

Not sure how you react to things but i know that if i was in your shoes i would of told my wife to go to another room and opened the door and kicked the living **** out the guy for threatening myself but especially my wife, jeez i would of seen red!!!

Also drop the weapons mate, real men use there fists.



Re-read the second to last sentence of the original post. I am physically disabled.

My wife was not beside me, she was several feet behind me. That is exactly where I told her to stay because she is not the kind of person to let a loved one face danger alone. Besides, as I mentioned in the original post she has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and thus is excellent back up for me in the event I cannot take a burglar/criminal out with just my knives and/or hickory hiking staff. We are a team.

As for opening the door. I would rather let them break the door down. In a court of law it will be better for my defense if the police report shows there were obvious signs of forced entry and my actions were reactive instead of aggressive.

I do not trust lawyers and am not going to ever take the chance they may have more ammo against me.



Real men use whatever it takes to keep themselves and their family safe and alive in a dangerous situation.



Oh, and I agree completely with everything Jago Kain and the others supporting him said.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-03-20 09:26:24 UTC
Should move to Aus...

We have enough deadly animals here that there are virtually no crackheads/dickheads/knobheads alive to threaten or even scare anyone :)

Never been in a street/bar fight before, never witnessed an assault or nearly any sort of crime before... but if someone was banging on my door i would just tell them to **** off, and pick them up and throw them into a wheelie bin if they refused. See how long they can last with the smell of dog poo in their face hehe :)

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Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-03-20 12:21:47 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
Jago Kain wrote:
Let's have a bit of natural selection to weed out those screwing things up for the rest of us shall we?



Well if your getting owned in the face by drunks theres some natural selection right there, should have learned how to look after yourself. My point about drugs addicts still stands, you corner a desperate drug addict the lack of rationality they have from rattling and the prospect of getting caught can drive them to do some pretty reckless things.

I would rather take on one that didn't have a gun personally, you only need to look at the US to see how well the whole self defence thing works.


You are assuming that the bad guys aren't already well armed. curious.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-03-20 12:28:00 UTC
Canada is another country that, compared with countries in the EU, is quite well armed. Look at our homicide rates compared to EU stats. The gun ownership/homicides thing does not hold up. Someone already mentioned Switzerland.

Take away a citizens right to be armed and then only the criminals will be armed.
Arakazzi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-03-20 12:52:58 UTC
There is actually no or very little correlation between gun ownership and criminal activity. It doesn't reduce crime or increase it either way. Although I would point out that fatalities from violent crimes are higher for obvious reasons in countries that allow civilians to be armed. There is a higher correlation between poverty, drug abuse and education along with family history - this is rather self explanitory.