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Why are players allowed to sell PLEX

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-03-19 18:49:19 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
Invictra Atreides wrote:
And you have to realize how easy it is to get the ISK for a PLEX. Just 1h of gameplay per month to get 500 mil. There are players out there that earn for 10+ PLEX/month with little effort.

Wish someone would actually teach us better ways to make plex like this.,


You just have to realize that everytime someone talks about how easy it is to make hundreds of millions of ISK in an hour, they are generally lying or leaving out crucial information.

Generally, in order to make a lot of ISK, you need a lot of ISK in the first place. It takes billions to make millions. Even the people complaining about how someone can earn billions of ISK from incursions is conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that this person had to get 10 accounts, train them up to fly a tengu, buy and fit tengus for each of the accounts and then somehow control all 10 accounts at once.

That person earning 100 million ISK per hour running missions? He has several pimped out multi-billion ISK mission running ships (one for each faction), has memorized all of the missions, memorized which order to kill mission spawns in, knows which missions to blitz, knows which missions to loot/salvage and has fit his ship with The Correct Hardeners(tm). Even after all of that, he has to go do market research to find the best LP item to maximize his ISK:LP ratio.

Normal players do not have all of that. They don't clear out World's Collide in 15 minutes, it takes them at least an hour since they only have a standard T2 fit battleship and have to slow boat to the acceleration gate. They don't know which spawn the attack first, so they either have to overtank their ship or warp out several times.

You don't make gobs and gobs of money in EVE until you've been playing long enough to learn all of this stuff. Some players pick it up quite easily, some players have friends teach them, and other players stumble around learning on their own.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#22 - 2012-03-21 12:54:38 UTC
You can 'buy' ISK buy getting a PLEX and selling it on the market. And with that ISK you can then get yourself an edge over other players by having more money to buy expensive mods. In a way this is a 'pay-to-win' mechanic.

The reason why this isn't a bad thing in EVE, is because of how easy it is to lose that 'edge'. One stupid mistake and it's all gone.

The PLEX at least make sure that a lot of the potential RTM-customers are filling CCP's pockets instead of 3-rd parties that break all kind of rules and gameplay in order to acquire their stock of ingame ISK

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Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#23 - 2012-03-21 13:31:44 UTC
In the end you don't create ISK from nothing. Buying a PLEX means that you get someones else money. It redistributes all that money ppl have and don't need to others that need it more.

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Valkyria Caeli
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-03-21 21:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkyria Caeli
Cathy Drall wrote:
Zanzbar wrote:
Realize that ccp dosent make any extra money out of plex, for every plex purchased and added to the game there is one less person paying them a subscription fee of equal value that month so in the end they don't gain or lose anything.

Except:

1) plex cost more than 1 month of subscription;
2) plex can also be used to transfer characters, buy in-game items thus are destroyed without being used for game time.

Personally I really dislike PLEX as people can still buy an advantage over poorer players in game.
Which I find disappointing.



But then you could also regard the ability to spend massive amounts of time in game grinding asteroids or missions for ISK as an unfair advantage over those with less free time. Should in game time be limited to say 4 hours a day to be fair to those with jobs and families?

Or what if I were to set my kid up with an account, pay for the sub and tell him that all he needs to do in return for keeping the sub would be to mow the yard twice a month. It is just a little bit of his time for a sub fee. What if I told him he could grind me out 450m isk in game for his sub fee if he would rather do that then mow? It is just a little bit of his time for a sub fee. And either way I am spending money to buy back some time for myself. If my kid doesn't mow I will have to and that is potentially less time to chase iskies in game.

Plex is really no different than me being able to hire someone's kid to do a chore for me. The chore just happens to be in game. And all that is traded is time for money. So yeah, having money is allowed to be an advantage in the game but only because having lots of time to spend on the game has been an advantage for longer.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#25 - 2012-03-22 17:48:05 UTC
On the subject of people buying high powered characters or pricey ships that they have no experience in using, I show new players this little cautionary (and highly funny) tale.

Scius and the Dreadnaught

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Zanzbar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-03-22 18:40:46 UTC
Serge Bastana wrote:
On the subject of people buying high powered characters or pricey ships that they have no experience in using, I show new players this little cautionary (and highly funny) tale.

Scius and the Dreadnaught


Link to the unedited chatlogs is broken :(

But yes even without masive screwups such as this it is painfully obvious when somone is using a character or equipment that is above their abilites as a player. Not only will new players who try to buy their way to victory eventualy be noticed for what they are, but they are likly ro be harased to no end by the people who find out.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#27 - 2012-03-22 20:40:54 UTC
Zanzbar wrote:
Serge Bastana wrote:
On the subject of people buying high powered characters or pricey ships that they have no experience in using, I show new players this little cautionary (and highly funny) tale.

Scius and the Dreadnaught


Link to the unedited chatlogs is broken :(

But yes even without masive screwups such as this it is painfully obvious when somone is using a character or equipment that is above their abilites as a player. Not only will new players who try to buy their way to victory eventualy be noticed for what they are, but they are likly ro be harased to no end by the people who find out.



Well that post on the Tribune is from a few years ago, I remember reading the chat logs the first time I found that story and it was hilarious.

We did have an individual join the first corp I was in shortly after I started playing. He was mouthing off in corp chat about how he had 30 million sp and knew better than us noobs, which even only a month or so into the game we knew was rubbish as we called him out on a few 'facts' that he gave us. We had a pretty good idea that he'd purchased the character on the bazaar and even greener than we were.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#28 - 2012-03-24 11:23:36 UTC
So we can see topics like this with people whining about it, If people couldnt sell plex I wouldnt pay for eve :D cause then i'd have to invest real money and we all know 500m for about 4 accounts is easy to gain in a month Roll

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