EVE General Discussion

Over the past 4-5 years since 2007 we've experiencence deflation ( source http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/19/eve-morning-weekend-report-31912/ around 21 minute mark ) Only recently (past year) have we seen inflation. This inflation has correlated with Incursions and many think Incursions have caused the desirable inflation to check the BAD DEFLATION ( even though correlation does not necessarily mean causation )... we can thank Incursions runners I guess according to many here in the Forums
Remember reasonable inflation is always better to any deflation in a game economy like this.

YES DEfLATION THAT WAS OCCURING SINCE 2007! Please listen to the report. there was a bad problem with deflation until 2011 ( which happened to be around the time that Incursions started) remember in a game economy Inflation is is good because it FORCES PEOPLE TO PLAY MORE rather then sitting on thier bums. With mild to moderate inflation you get more people playing tokeep up thier standard of living in Eve.

The deflation was never a problem as it was not ever extream. Right now prices are getting on for double in as little as 6 months which means less pvp and less sales.

This sucks for both pvp and industry.



No. Adding even more isk into the system is the last thing we need.

the sky is falling

The deflationary aspects are nothing to do with the earning of money. Its a reduction in the sales of consumer products. In this sense its the lack of people actually spending the money they have on consumerables that was/is causing the price indices falling or a lack of money velocity that compounds the problem of available money even further when looking at economic issues.

The deflationary aspects of a falling consumer price index (or people not buying goods) as presented by CCP dont show LP or contracts related purchases however. So its hard to say how much is "invisible" in terms of investment and spending or who is doing it.

In short we need people to spend the money they have on various assests. This can either be done by people generally investing in infrastructure or products that in turn are used to create other products. But of course we need more people to have good cause to buy these things in order to do so.

You could say that the long term issue of this is we need to improve the level of conflict. Since changes to income will only help to stabalise isk generation. But if people are simply not spending their money and keeping it then the long term problem of consumer products will be effected.

As such the initial tweeks CCP are introducing to stabalise things from an ISK income point of view I see as a short term stabaliser.

Inferno is likley going to be a welcome introduction, along with any other initiatives that can help to encourage reasonable levels of PvP interactions.

Another thing that CCP could do is introduce more "new" popular products that would initially help to remove isk with BPO purchases but also add further purchasing opportunities that would tempt individuals to ustilise. To some extent consumables (similar to ammunition or pos fuel etc) would be more desirable in this process as a result since it makes people purchase goods more regularly.

So at the moment, if you want to help EvE the best thing you can do is if you have money is open your wallet and buy things. Or even invest in small buisness opportunities that help to improve the utilisation of lower tier products for other income opportunities. But at least in this case your speculation is a transferance of isk, improving money velocity in the market as opposed to simply just stagnating. This could be a more preferable method of reducing relative prices by competetion in products where opportunities exist and are growing out of control. As opposed to letting your isk be worth more if you are rich but others are suffering with some occurences of high prices.

Yeah they did. Go read all the dev posts in that thread.

-Liang

Ed: I'm not totally up on the details, but it sounded like they were nerfing the "Blitzability" of the more profitable incursion sites.

It has more to do with the massive amount of income that can be earned relatively risk-free. The discussion about the Incursions is identical to that of the L4 missions before. Only now we DO have a big inflation in quite a few products. Most noticably PLEX, which has the 'gold standard' of a month playtime. So that gets included in the discussion and dominates it.

Are Incursions the reason behind the inflation? I doubt it, but they aren't helping either. Using Liang's analogy: it's a gardenhose in a bathtub that's already spilling over.

I realize that I drunkpoast occasionally, but I don't think that's my analogy. :)

-Liang

It surely doesn't matter as since when CCP announced a potential "carpet bombing" approach accross the board to NPC battleship bounties with relative tweaks as a shared reduction on a macro scale to make adjustments likley less imposing to any singular group, doesn't that also include incursions?

Okay, well that's opened a whole level of new questions for me then. I'm not an incursion runner (obviously), and recognise that CCP will have a sensible focus as suggested to the economy overall.

But how then are the ISK rewards calulated for Incursions? Are they not proportionate to the number and type of rats you encounter?