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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3681 - 2012-03-18 13:33:45 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.


nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS


Apparently you haven't actually read this thread. At least one person (and her sock puppets) has said exactly that.



hey wait a minute you left out ,i live in my mothers basement trolls part of this post
why is that? you live at your mothers basement ? oooow i am close ,am i.

So i get it now,so you have nothing to do in your live,so you have to bash some good ideas ,just to make you feel better.
1 advice m8 get out of your mothers basement some time,there are real people outside,can you handle them?

all the time i was thinking we had to deal with a troll here ,but it was nothing more then a sad sick puppie

R.S.I2014

Taiwanistan
#3682 - 2012-03-18 14:27:34 UTC
Mikhem wrote:
neur0zen wrote:

+1

And people should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A


Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released.

I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run.

FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same?

I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move.

Mikhem

And another please team avatar release something quick and dirty so you can get your emote on with a bunch of dudes post. forget about excellence, depth of gameplay
By yet another dude in a npc corp or vanity solo corp.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3683 - 2012-03-18 15:30:11 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:


We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us P




That's no reason to panic.

Anyway, thanks for letting us know that CCP is still viewing this thread.





Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3684 - 2012-03-18 15:30:22 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
So I'm curious, what is your individual timeline expectations like, guys? I want this all tomorrow (If I had to admit to the excitement factor) but I also want them to do it so well that there can be no complaints about it. How long do you think it will take them?


I am hoping that after Inferno WiS will get more devs to work on it.
And then that next year (2013) is WiS year.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3685 - 2012-03-18 16:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Taiwanistan wrote:
Mikhem wrote:
neur0zen wrote:

+1

And people should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A


Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released.

I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run.

FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same?

I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move.

Mikhem

And another please team avatar release something quick and dirty so you can get your emote on with a bunch of dudes post. forget about excellence, depth of gameplay
By yet another dude in a npc corp or vanity solo corp.


Nothing wrong with that post or the Video. The graphic content in it is excellent and that was how CCP had previewed WiS Ambulation years ago which is what players were expecting with Incarna.

Anyway, please STFU.
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3686 - 2012-03-18 17:53:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Mikhem wrote:
neur0zen wrote:

+1

And people should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A


Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released.

I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run.

FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same?

I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move.

Mikhem

And another please team avatar release something quick and dirty so you can get your emote on with a bunch of dudes post. forget about excellence, depth of gameplay
By yet another dude in a npc corp or vanity solo corp.


Nothing wrong with that post or the Video. The graphic content in it is excellent and that was how CCP had previewed WiS Ambulation years ago which is what players were expecting with Incarna.

Anyway, please STFU.


Sadly that quality was not adequate for CCPs standards and because of that we got nothing. (CCP started producing new engine).

Don't get me wrong, this new engine is much much better looking and have that wow effect, but i would like that we got complete WiS with interaction and everything and then CCP could go for making things look better - just like they did with EVE (and doing for second time now) (when hardware go forwards with time, with time increase quality).

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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3687 - 2012-03-18 19:36:51 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
All that comments were not with bad intentions,
just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS.

No hard feelings? Blink

no hard feelings Big smile

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3688 - 2012-03-18 20:57:36 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Elanor Vega wrote:
All that comments were not with bad intentions,
just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS.

No hard feelings? Blink

no hard feelings Big smile


Oooh, let's hug!

Oh wait, we can't...Twisted
HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3689 - 2012-03-18 21:07:59 UTC
Aquila Draco wrote:
Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE.


Link to this quote, please.

It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide!
Ai Shun
#3690 - 2012-03-18 22:14:10 UTC
Right, it seems the thread has been derailed yet again.

Lady Harlot wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
This thread has shown there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well.

Considering that 80% of this thread is real Eve players trolling people who want CCP to ruin the game you are incorrect in your assertion.


I'm ignoring made up statistics.

I do believe there is a number of repeat posts from both sides of the camp and I do believe that WiS is a very polarising issue for both the pro WiS and pro FiS camp. I'm pro both, fortunately P

To correct you though; I said there is a level of support for ambulation that is still alive and well. In trying to score the point or whatever it is you are doing, you conveniently ignored this snippet:

"It is difficult to gauge how much without raw data from CCP - especially as we are seeing only a slice of the forum population."

I am well aware of the risk of judging purely on a slice of data available. Hence "level of support". The ones that are for it are certainly fanatical about it.

How to deal with it? As I said before, my ideal world would see WiS created as a separate, yet cohesively linked product with its own revenue stream. I believe, as a product, it can stand on its own two feet and still provide a very compelling and integrated gameplay experience to capsuleers. This would be a further extension of the EVE Universe concept that Dust is adding to and I see no reason why CCP can't diverge into different gameplay arenas to extend the world of EVE. I'd go so far as to say, can World of Darkness and use those developers to work on CCP's core product - EVE Universe. However, there is also a cross-over between the two technologies for WoD and WiS so ... hey. It can work both ways, I think.

Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand. As a player and subscriber I would like to know what the intent is - not a vague promise, but a richer roadmap of what is planned and where things are going. It does not need super detail, but a few target dates would be helpful.

Either way, if we get WiS as an EVE Universe game and I can take my trade alt into a station permanently and sit at a bar chatting while trading - I'll be happy. If I can have Ai walk into a station or visit her colonies, nice as well. If that doesn't happen - EVE will still carry on for me.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3691 - 2012-03-18 22:29:03 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand.


Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3692 - 2012-03-18 22:40:56 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand.


Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.



and again your are wrong mister Harlot .
Turns the lights on in your little basement and read this thread all over

R.S.I2014

Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3693 - 2012-03-18 22:41:32 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE.


Link to this quote, please.

It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide!



Please don't act stupid and act here like you don't know Goons moto and what they are trying to do in all games they start playing.
Or you do not act...Roll

Google a little and you will see many forums with question like "So what will happen when the goons find out about this game?" and answers like "We'll ruin it just like we ruin everything else." or blogs or mmo sites... they all know what goons wants and you tell me that member of goons do not know???

Research a little history of goons, it goes way back through many different games with the same cause, to ruin the game.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3694 - 2012-03-18 22:45:31 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Elanor Vega wrote:
All that comments were not with bad intentions,
just its a little confusing to hear all other info just nothing about WiS.

No hard feelings? Blink

no hard feelings Big smile


nice to hear that... Big smile
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3695 - 2012-03-18 22:46:02 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.


You're just a sheep, what would you know!?!
HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3696 - 2012-03-18 22:50:41 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE.


Link to this quote, please.

It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide!



Please don't act stupid and act here like you don't know Goons moto and what they are trying to do in all games they start playing.
Or you do not act...Roll

Google a little and you will see many forums with question like "So what will happen when the goons find out about this game?" and answers like "We'll ruin it just like we ruin everything else." or blogs or mmo sites... they all know what goons wants and you tell me that member of goons do not know???

Research a little history of goons, it goes way back through many different games with the same cause, to ruin the game.


Ok, so you can't provide a link to a quote.

Thanks for clarifying.
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3697 - 2012-03-18 22:55:30 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Elanor Vega wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE.


Link to this quote, please.

It was said in front of cameras, so it should be easy for you to provide!



Please don't act stupid and act here like you don't know Goons moto and what they are trying to do in all games they start playing.
Or you do not act...Roll

Google a little and you will see many forums with question like "So what will happen when the goons find out about this game?" and answers like "We'll ruin it just like we ruin everything else." or blogs or mmo sites... they all know what goons wants and you tell me that member of goons do not know???

Research a little history of goons, it goes way back through many different games with the same cause, to ruin the game.


Ok, so you can't provide a link to a quote.

Thanks for clarifying.


First, you did not ask me to give you link as i am not the person you quoted.
And second, you just proved that you do not even know to use google.
Ai Shun
#3698 - 2012-03-18 23:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand.


Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.


I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of "WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that.

Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it.

Elanor Vega wrote:
First, you did not ask me to give you link as i am not the person you quoted.
And second, you just proved that you do not even know to use google.


/sigh - instead of dragging things on and on and on and derailing the thread even more, why don't you just provide the link? If it is that easy, why can't you just post it?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3699 - 2012-03-18 23:10:49 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand.


Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.


I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of "WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that.

Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it.

Elanor Vega wrote:
First, you did not ask me to give you link as i am not the person you quoted.
And second, you just proved that you do not even know to use google.


/sigh - instead of dragging things on and on and on and derailing the thread even more, why don't you just provide the link? If it is that easy, why can't you just post it?


Even more, ignore the goon trolls. We are not talking about what the goons might have said, might want to do, or whatever. This thread is NOT about the goons.

This thread is about WiS and there's a few trolls easy to ignore with the appropiate forum function. Use it and your thread experience will improve a lot.
Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3700 - 2012-03-18 23:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae
Ai Shun wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Secondly, I believe it behooves WiS to get a proposal in front of the CSM, to have it taken to CCP and to see how things stand.


Hopefully we get another sane CSM that will continue to reinforce CCP's commitment to working on real Eve content. Nobody (except the pro-WiS nutters) want to see a return to the state the game was in over the summer.


I daresay I don't think even the rabidly pro-WiS crowd wants to return to the way EVE was over the summer. However, you are barking at it from the foundation of "WiS was to blame for exodus and crap situation". In part it was, yes. Because the whole NEX and Microtransaction debacle came as part of WiS, so WiS becomes the easy scapegoat for what was actually a more fundamental disconnect between CCP and their player base - that of Microtransactions and the risk of pay to win. If you want to blame something, blame that.

Ambulation has long been a pet project of CCPs. I'm keen to see where they go with it.



Why are you mixing WiS (Walking in Station) concept with Incarna expansion???
NeX and microtransaction and "golden ammo" and "greed is good" and many years of bugs are not a part of WiS!

And once more, all this talk "WiS is guilty for ppl leaving" is LIE.
Even on last page you have one quote, why we need to post the same arguments over and over again when ppl that talk that lies don't have even one argument to back them up.

Here is that quote again:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.

The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.

Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production.
Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation.
CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose.
Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications.
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation.
CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts.
Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."

Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?

Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.

By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?

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