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Allow onetime SP resets/tie SP reset into attribute reset timer/pay real cash for sp resets even!!
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Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#1 - 2012-03-18 20:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tovartis Roberts
A one time SP reset would be a really good idea, maybe a 1 time reset for players after 6-12 months so once they have a good idea how the game works and they realise they dont like what they have gon into they have 1 opertunity to properly choose this time which race they would like fly. its takes about a year maybe a bit more to become top statted in all areas for sub caps of one race and even longer for capital.

Alot of players leave eve because after their first 1-6months of being an oblivious noob they realise they dont actually like the path they are going down and just leave because they cannot be assed to wait another 6 months to become actually good in a new area. a onetime SP reset for newer players would be a great idea and would keep ALOT of players who are like me but not as patient in the game, it is an epic game, it really is but some people are just not as tolerant and patient and just quit.

Please keep the troll comments to yourselves, constructive negative feedback is welcome.
Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#2 - 2012-03-18 20:27:51 UTC
i would even /sign for a "pay real money for SP reset" system. maybe do it on an SP/real cash ratio...
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-03-18 20:30:39 UTC
Aren't you the guy who hates gallente and loves "WINMATTAR"?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#4 - 2012-03-18 20:31:25 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Aren't you the guy who hates gallente and loves "WINMATTAR"?


haha he is, I remember seeing that thread earlier today.
Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#5 - 2012-03-18 20:33:33 UTC
Thanks trolls for getting the thread off to a nice start. Pathetic; i dont know why i even bother with forums.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-18 20:34:12 UTC
LOL - Someone's given in to peer pressure.

Dodixie > Hek
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2012-03-18 20:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Standard copypasta for skill remaps:

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.


…oh, and one more thing: it doesn't actually solve any problem. Skill resets and remaps work for class/level-based systems where you pick a predetermined ability set the moment you pick your class, and cannot break out of it with anything less than a class change. EVE is not such a system. You are not tied down to training any one specific thing. If you want to know something else, you can just train it at any time.

The problem skill remaps are meant to solve do not exist in EVE and the solution to that problem is already built into how skills and skill training work. Instead, adding a remap system to EVE just breaks things.
Nikola Aivoras
Mercantilist Corporation of New Eden
#8 - 2012-03-18 20:37:39 UTC
Well, what did you expect, this is, after all, the EVE-Online forums. Trolling is an art here.

As for the content of your post, why do you want a skill reset? Why not just train for 'WINMATTAR' now, and keep your Gallente skills for future use? Every race has a useful ship in almost every situation. Getting rid of your Gallente skills only puts you in a box.

So if you want to go to 'WIMATTAR', just train it. Don't ask for a SP reset. It's a tad shortsighted, to be honest.
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-18 20:40:58 UTC
Oh come on. We had one of these threads just yesterday. These are a weekly occasion and they get shot down every single time. Please use the forum search button before posting a new thread.

This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
Tikktokk Tokkzikk
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#10 - 2012-03-18 20:50:23 UTC
I SUPPORT


















biomassing the OP.
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#11 - 2012-03-18 21:07:57 UTC
There are not enough languages in the world to say NO to this.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-18 21:10:59 UTC
you forgot to mention the 17m
Cunane Jeran
#13 - 2012-03-18 21:12:33 UTC
Terrible, TERRIBLE idea.

You made choices, you deal with it. It's bad enough we had to read your train wreck of a WINMATAR thread. How many MMO's do you know that let you flat out swap class.

Go re-roll son.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-03-18 21:15:27 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
There are not enough languages in the world to say NO to this.
So you pick one language and use variations on a theme.
CyberGh0st
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-18 21:17:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Standard copypasta for skill remaps:

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.


…oh, and one more thing: it doesn't actually solve any problem. Skill resets and remaps work for class/level-based systems where you pick a predetermined ability set the moment you pick your class, and cannot break out of it with anything less than a class change. EVE is not such a system. You are not tied down to training any one specific thing. If you want to know something else, you can just train it at any time.

The problem skill remaps are meant to solve do not exist in EVE and the solution to that problem is already built into how skills and skill training work. Instead, adding a remap system to EVE just breaks things.


Couldn't have it said any better Cool
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#16 - 2012-03-18 21:19:10 UTC
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
A one time SP reset would be a really good idea, maybe a 1 time reset for players after 6-12 months so once they have a good idea how the game works and they realise they dont like what they have gon into they have 1 opertunity to properly choose this time which race they would like fly. its takes about a year maybe a bit more to become top statted in all areas for sub caps of one race and even longer for capital.


If you train into the wrong battleship type, but have trained all the support skills, it takes about three to four months to train into another battleship type: the basic hull skill (~50 days), add on the new gunnery skills (~60 days), end of story.

Tom Roberts wrote:
Alot of players leave eve because after their first 1-6months of being an oblivious noob they realise they dont actually like the path they are going down and just leave because they cannot be assed to wait another 6 months to become actually good in a new area.


These players that you don't actually know are leaving the game — due to your lack of access to exit surveys, renewal numbers, etc — are people who weren't imaginative enough to try flying the ships they've trained to fly. There is nothing wrong with Gallente ships as rail or drone platforms. The problem is trying to fly blaster boats in fleet combat without suitable warpins or other support. That's one third of the available weapon systems for people flying Gallente.

Tom Roberts wrote:
a onetime SP reset for newer players would be a great idea and would keep ALOT of players who are like me but not as patient in the game, it is an epic game, it really is but some people are just not as tolerant and patient and just quit.


If you are not patient enough to wait the six months to train into a completely different line of ships, you are really not the target audience for this game. If you are not able to look at the skills you have and find something interesting to fly, you are not ready for this game. If you can't see the flow-on effects of SP remaps when applied to the entire player base, you are not ready for this game.

You really need to have a plan, and be willing to accept that there are no "wasted" SP in this game, just SP you have spent on things you don't use right now.

Tom Roberts wrote:
Please keep the troll comments to yourselves, constructive negative feedback is welcome.


Instructing people to not troll your thread is exactly the conditions that will draw trolls from every forum to troll your thread. Don't do that, it's pointless.

I'll remind you about St Mio's What to do in EVE Online chart. Hopefully it will help you find something interesting to do with the skill set you already have.

And this idea really belongs in Features & Ideas discussion.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-18 21:21:56 UTC
Nikola Aivoras wrote:
Well, what did you expect, this is, after all, the EVE-Online forums. Trolling is an art here.

As for the content of your post, why do you want a skill reset? Why not just train for 'WINMATTAR' now, and keep your Gallente skills for future use? Every race has a useful ship in almost every situation. Getting rid of your Gallente skills only puts you in a box.

So if you want to go to 'WIMATTAR', just train it. Don't ask for a SP reset. It's a tad shortsighted, to be honest.


You mean trolling is a art. seriously learn it...


to say something about the topic:

Tippia wrote:
Standard copypasta for skill remaps:

It removes the point of having skills to begin with.
It removes the point of having attributes.
It removes attribute implants from the game.
It removes variety and instead encourages FOTM and cookie-cutter setups.
It removes the uniqueness, history and "character" of your character.
It removes planning and choice and consequences.
It removes goal-setting, progression and any achievement in those areas.
It kills character trading.
It massively boosts older characters over new ones.
It introduces "catching up" as a concept in EVE and instantly makes it impossible to do.


…oh, and one more thing: it doesn't actually solve any problem. Skill resets and remaps work for class/level-based systems where you pick a predetermined ability set the moment you pick your class, and cannot break out of it with anything less than a class change. EVE is not such a system. You are not tied down to training any one specific thing. If you want to know something else, you can just train it at any time.

The problem skill remaps are meant to solve do not exist in EVE and the solution to that problem is already built into how skills and skill training work. Instead, adding a remap system to EVE just breaks things.


The list pretty much says it and i bolded the important part of the text.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#18 - 2012-03-18 21:23:48 UTC
I would love this but I know it is a terrible idea for pretty much every reason Tippia listed.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-18 21:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
Thanks trolls for getting the thread off to a nice start. Pathetic; i dont know why i even bother with forums.
Trolls hit every thread right off the bat. If your thread has legs and can reach page two and three, at that point you'll see the serious people come out of the woodwork to discuss your idea.

Tippia decided to break with tradition though and offer you some valid discussion on the very first page. Bad Tippia, bad!
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-18 21:37:46 UTC
I would tell you about the character bazaar. but I get the feeling you would fail at argueing how your amazing ability to afk level 4's. "as stated in your gallente should get sp back thread" wouldn't help you in purchasing a desirable character.

Something clever
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