EVE General Discussion

How about fixing the fact that the only way to compete with a script using NINJA looter is to use a script yourself in the MOM fight? 70 versus 1 or 2 & the 1 or 2 get the loot 95%+ of the time... NAH they aint using a script its the game mechanics I guess that always allow that 1 person NOT FLEETED to get the loot repeatedly . HOW ABOUT MAKING THE NINJA LOOTERS RED TO THE ENTIRE FLEET?

Criminal flagging has been taken out of many Incursions they are at the ones in NULL sec.. you can go there & have fun buddy

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shut up you bleating moron

this is a trade-off, you want to run incursions in the safety of highsec, you get to deal with ninja looters

concord disappear at incursion system.

sansha invasioned... and concord? :D

Didn't read the entire thread yet, so much will probably be redundant. But I have a hearty suggestion based on my opinion that incursions are a vital part of EVE.

Things about EVE that I knew nothing about before running incursions:
* Fleet composition - the difference and mechanics of boost vs. command.
* Offgrid boost ships.
* Fleet composition - the roles of different ship and fitting possibilities.
* Slot 6-10 implants.
* As a Minmatar toon I could train other racial skills.
* Using remote mods, such as cap transfers.
* How to set up my overview - Tags and being able to move columns coming to mind first.
* How to D-Scan immediate space.
* EVE voice structure in fleet.
* The LP store.
* Aggression rules.

Things that incursioning really opened up for me:
* Understanding of non meta 0-5 mods.
* Webbing, tracking, optimal and falloff, ammo types... etc.
* Fitting in general.
* Fleet discipline.
* Using jump clones.
* Using the remapping facility.
* The ability to afford more expensive ships to lose.
* ...and... The Big One

The Big One

My girlfriend and I started incursions after having played EVE for about a year. We got the idea from a single corp member. The rest of our small corp had not considered incursions yet. We started in Maelstroms in pick-up fleets and worked our way up to shiny Machariels in elite fleets. The rest of our corp started seeing the iskies we were bringing in and we trained them to fly incursions. Now the whole corp are incursion veterans.

Our entire corp speaks with each other daily on Vent. We always have. We have been in wormhole space my entire EVE career. We also operate in highsec and lowsec regularly. We have been through a few formal and informal alliances. Here's where I get to the point: Each of us, to the last man and woman, were genuinely under the impression that EVE was populated by psychopaths. We really had no faith, whatsoever, that anyone else playing the game had any social or ethical merit at all. We saw all other players as functionally inept, at least semi-trog, anti socials. And it kind of makes sense that we saw it that way. EVE etiquette usually dictates either smack talk or complete silence in PVP interactions.

Incursions brought us to fly with, and voice chat with those very people that we never before had any real interaction with. Incursions opened up EVE to us in ways we never imagined. Our understanding that nearly everyone else in EVE is just like us - children and grownups enjoying the best MMO ever made. It has made us more willing to engage in PVP, freely explore sectors of space we normally otherwise avoided, and have a greater sense of community in the conflicts that are daily life in EVE. We are genuinely enjoying EVE more and are more engaged in the sandbox and incursions can be directly related to a small but vital shift in our attitudes.

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Another added benefit is the ISK. As a small corp we are always struggling to figure out where the next carrier or rorq is going to come from. Small corps have a really hard time with the more pricey aspects of EVE. I think incursions, like higher level missions, sleepers, ratting, and PVP add a necessary flow of income for those players who do not own large swaths of nullsec. That being said, we just built two carriers and a rorq and not one isk of it came from incursions. We actually liken incursioning to ice mining. Grinding incursions can become quite tiresome and there is so much more to EVE we just consider it "another" activity to keep us interested.

My girlfriend and I just moved in real life. We didn't budget well and if it weren't for incursion isk we would not have EVE accounts right now. Bonus!

My point after all this is that incursions are one of the best things in EVE. Level 4 and 5 missions, sleepers, plexes... all those things *could* teach players the lessons about how big and functional EVE really is, could get players to interact with each other in the general public, but they don't because there is no motivation. ISK. ISK is the motivation that brings players together. If the payout in incursions is lowered, they lose those benefits I mentioned at the start and become just like all the other aspects of EVE. Which would not be a bad thing so long as some other activity is introduced that brings random, otherwise unrelated players to work together in EVE.

If incursions are staying I don't think payouts should be lowered. I even like the idea of increasing them for the larger fleets. I do like the ideas about decreasing payouts as the incursion goes on, forcing earlier mom kills. Mom withdrawals is a cool idea too.

But I have an idea to add to those and all the other truly productive suggestions regarding incursions.

Make an absolute Sansha Kill Rate. 1.3% or whatever. Randomize it so you don't know when it's coming. But in every incursion site vangaurd and above introduce the occasional additional spawn that will, without question, kill 90% of the fleet. Set the rate to take no more than a reasonable percentage of all incursion fleets over a given period. But make it so that when you decide to incursion, you know you're going to lose at some point.

Shiny fleets will completely disappear.

Personally, I would like to see Sansha actually capture some of us. One day you are incursioning, the next day you disappear of the radar. You're corpies are wondering where you are and every time you log into EVE your only option is to fly a Sansha ship and die at the hands of your brethren until someone who cares enough hunts you down and rescues you.

I know that would never fly.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that we met in incursions. I could have left her out of the story. I'm just remembering it how it went down. The Big One is that our corp were genuinely surprised by our interaction with other players. Maybe even you.

For that, we are thankful.

lol. whoops. Going back through and reading the thread now. It is quite funny at points.

You get the NCOs, we'll clear the OTAs for ya. But next time, you drop the ore.

TBH i havnt read the entire thread. I just like to post my idea of incursion
Pros
- Nice PVE Content
- You only can do it in a grou
- meeting new folk
Negative
- VGs are really to eas
- bigger sites should be more profitabl

How it should be
- VG Fleets are too easy(make them harder 3 mins per site is a laugh
- HQ fleets should be the most profitable sites (ISK/hour -HQ>Assault>Vanguard
- get rid of staging Vanguard assault hq systems- Fleets need to look for their prefered site in the whole constellatio
- so each system can have 2 vg sites, 2 Assault , 2 HQ Site
- this makes VG fleets less efective and players look for bigger fleet

Leave Incursions as they are now.
Alot of people get together form up a fleet, make isk, make LP and have fun.

There's nothing broken with current scheme.
I was doing incursions with alot of people from whole world and it was very fun and entertaining.

So don't fix anything it is very good as it is, was for 2 years now.
Again, you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.