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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3661 - 2012-03-18 11:40:02 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us P


The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3662 - 2012-03-18 11:46:56 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us P


The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.


Don,t look down ,you lost your space pants !!!!!

R.S.I2014
Aquila Draco
#3663 - 2012-03-18 11:49:49 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us P


The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.


To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#3664 - 2012-03-18 11:55:22 UTC
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3665 - 2012-03-18 11:56:56 UTC
Aquila Draco wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us P


The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.


To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game.


I completely agree! That's why you and I don't support CCP wasting a bunch of resources on WiS when it almost killed the game and trolled all other players who love and care for the game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3666 - 2012-03-18 11:59:01 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.


nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS
but some i live in my mothers basement trolls ,think we are

R.S.I2014
Aquila Draco
#3667 - 2012-03-18 12:01:11 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
What rubbed me the wrong way about the comments was that people were complaining about too many changes from us (and doing fuzzy math) when all of them were implemented by only one person (me) and tested by another teammate. And to be honest, a lot of the work was done during my free time because I wanted to make those changes (which is not really good for sustainability, so it's not something we should be doing).

We will most likely have a few UI change in the next release, so don't panic if you see more UI changes from us P


The real nutty pro-WiS people can be safely ignored. They are a tiny minority, nothing will satisfy them until they hear that CCP is focusing 100% on making more space pants, and they don't really care about Eve.

Real Eve players appreciate the work you're doing.


To be player you need to play the game, and not just looking how to kill the game and troll all other players who love and care for the game.


I completely agree! That's why you and I don't support CCP wasting a bunch of resources on WiS when it almost killed the game and trolled all other players who love and care for the game.


First look whats the name of your alliance.
Then research the past of that alliance.
Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???

And we have a Winner!!!
Goons said it!!!!
And you are a Goon!!!!

Go ruin some other game.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3668 - 2012-03-18 12:06:02 UTC
Aquila Draco wrote:
Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???

And we have a Winner!!!
Goons said it!!!!


No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone
Caldari State
#3669 - 2012-03-18 12:07:14 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.


We do not want WiS and only WiS.
We want WiS AND FiS in one and only EVE.
We want EVE that will last for many many more years.

Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3670 - 2012-03-18 12:08:09 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.


nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS


Apparently you haven't actually read this thread. At least one person (and her sock puppets) has said exactly that.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3671 - 2012-03-18 12:09:59 UTC
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:
Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion.


Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Aquila Draco
#3672 - 2012-03-18 12:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Draco
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???

And we have a Winner!!!
Goons said it!!!!


No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?



And we have a winner again!!! LolLolLol

Elite goon who even don't know the history of the clan he is worshiping.



Learn the history before you make any arguments about the future, my young padawan.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3673 - 2012-03-18 12:13:02 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???

And we have a Winner!!!
Goons said it!!!!


No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?



ooow yes they did ,there was even a tv show about mmo,s a few years back .
i can,t remember the name of that show,so looking for it online is hard
it was about a few online games
Eveonline was on it and especially the goons ,about wanting to destroy the game

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3674 - 2012-03-18 12:16:11 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:
Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion.


Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.



and still they have 60 people on WOD and you are bashing a 5 men team on WIS yeah right

R.S.I2014
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3675 - 2012-03-18 12:18:14 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Sirius Cassiopeiae wrote:
Yet some other people here want to tell the world that we want to kill FiS because they do not want WiS "because it will ruin the game" and don't have arguments to back up that opinion.


Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.



Again you with your lies.

Million times before we won this argument but your brain cant handle it i see...
Give me a prof that ppl left because of WiS.

Ppl left because there was no WiS.

Here is only one quote that will maybe make you remember again:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.

I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.


So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.

The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.

Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production.
Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation.
CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose.
Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications.
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation.
CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts.
Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."

Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?

Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.

By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?
Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
#3676 - 2012-03-18 12:18:54 UTC
neur0zen wrote:

+1

And people should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A


Epic looking video. I wish that content could be debugged and released.

I think main problem why WiS is never getting released is perfection. If you wait for perfect you never get anything done. I wish WiS could be released in some form and then updated in long run.

FiS was not perfect when EVE was released. It just takes steps forward to perfection. Why cant WiS do the same?

I see WiS as an expansion to excellent chat channel system. Place to hang out and talk bullshit. Expansion for all roleplayers. Place to rest after exhausting workload. Place to think and plan your next move.

Mikhem

Mikhem

Link library to EVE music songs.
Aquila Draco
#3677 - 2012-03-18 12:29:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Draco
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Aquila Draco wrote:
Who said that their main objective is to kill EVE???

And we have a Winner!!!
Goons said it!!!!


No goon has ever said this. Think about it for a second: why would we want to kill a game that thousands of us enjoy?



ooow yes they did ,there was even a tv show about mmo,s a few years back .
i can,t remember the name of that show,so looking for it online is hard
it was about a few online games
Eveonline was on it and especially the goons ,about wanting to destroy the game



I think there need to be a memo sent to all goons so that they are familiarize with the past of their worshiped alliance.

Goons openly (even ON THE TV SHOW) said that they want to kill EVE.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3678 - 2012-03-18 12:52:58 UTC
Elanor Vega wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Except for the fact that the last time CCP ignored Eve to work on WiS a ton of people quit the game and they had to fire 20% of their staff...you guys love to ignore that part of the story.



Again you with your lies.

Million times before we won this argument but your brain cant handle it i see...
Give me a prof that ppl left because of WiS.

Ppl left because there was no WiS.

Here is only one quote that will maybe make you remember again:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.

I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.


So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.

The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.

Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production.
Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation.
CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose.
Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications.
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation.
CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts.
Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."

Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?

Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.

By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?



Yeah, Harlot never replied to that.



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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3679 - 2012-03-18 13:05:13 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Wow, I took a much needed break from the forums and I am very surprised to see that this topic is still here! I support WiS but not entirely at the expense of FiS gameplay.


nobody wants some something at the expense of FIS


Apparently you haven't actually read this thread. At least one person (and her sock puppets) has said exactly that.



who,s sock puppet are you mister Harlot ?

R.S.I2014
Aquila Draco
#3680 - 2012-03-18 13:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquila Draco
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Elanor Vega wrote:


Again you with your lies.

Million times before we won this argument but your brain cant handle it i see...
Give me a prof that ppl left because of WiS.

Ppl left because there was no WiS.

Here is only one quote that will maybe make you remember again:

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:


Except that when CCP introduced WiS to the game they lost a bunch of subscribers and then had to lay off 20% of their employees.

I'm sure you can understand why we don't want to see Eve go in that direction again.


So you're still spouting the same ole lies. WiS was not the reason for the mass unsubs.

The Incarna Expansion failed to deliver the WiS that was promised years ago known as Ambulation. The Incarna Expansion was the catalyst which combined with resulting events and previous in-game problems ended up being 'The straw that broke the Camel's back'.

Those mass unsubs were due to a lot of different things listed here in no particular order.

The 1001 Papercuts thread - large list of various broken game mechanics and unfinished content since 2003.
Numerous expansions constantly being rushed out 1/2 finished and bugged breaking existing content.
CCP introducing NEX Store and MT - selling overpriced items for real money bypassing player production.
Threat of 'Gold Ammo' and 'Gold Ships' enabling 'Pay to Win' exploitation.
CCP dividing development resources working on 3 different projects at same time.
The leaked memo 'Fearless Newsletter' - Greed is good.
CCP statement of Eve Online viewed as the Golden Goose.
Forcing 3rd party programs to pay real money for providing Eve Online applications.
CCP failure to maintain promise of 'Commitment to Excellence'.
Showing players 'The Door' and removing option of choice, forced participation.
CCP attempting to diffuse the situation with excessive thread locking and banned accounts.
Lack of communication resulting in poor Public Relations due to ignoring the player base.
Releasing poorly written unoptimized code in a major expansion resulting in client side issues.
Hilmar's statement - "Watch what they do, not what they say."

Basically Hilmar's statement became the rally cry for the mass unsubs. Those unsubs combined with a large loan payment being due resulted in CCP downsizing and placing some of their other projects on the back burner.

Ladie Harlot wrote:
Captains Quarters are inside the station and you can walk in them (at least until your video card catches fire). Was that worth two years of Eve being neglected?

Strange, I had a 10 year old computer with minimum required specs and I was able to have CQ active. Granted it took a while to load up and was very laggy. Of course this was when CCP had first introduced CQ which has been optimized now so if your Video Card is catching on fire, then you'd better get a new computer.

By the way, I've seen a lot of different game play content added in the past 3 1/2 years I've been playing this game. Please explain how 2 years of Eve has been neglected?



Yeah, Harlot never replied to that.





He/she/it never reply on post with arguments.
He/she/it will not reply on this thread for few pages and then he/she/it will pull this same lie all over again.
Its like bott.