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Oh god, the zdyrine!
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#81 - 2012-03-16 14:19:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrapyard Bob
Tasko Pal wrote:

At 350 isk/m3 (current levels), I get 1860 zyd and 2430 meg
At 500 isk/m3 (roughly 54-60 mil/hr), I get 2760 zyd and 3420 meg
At 650 isk/m3 (roughly 70-78 mil/hr), I get 3670 zyd and 4410 mega


(ponders Tasko's numbers) I guess it depends on whether you think mining is boring (some people enjoy it, especially as a social event). That view on mining will influence the ISK/hr number at which point you'll be tempted to mine rather then rat / anom / incursion

Today
Trit 4.58 Pye 5.31 Mex 54.96 Iso 73.74 Nocx 567 Zyd 1173 Mega 2733 Morph 498

Guesses
Trit 5.00 Pye 6.00 Mex 60 Iso 100 Nocx 500 Zyd 2200 Mega 3600 Morph 650
Veld 150 Scor 133 Pyro 173 Plag 170 Omb 110 Kern 181 Croc 406 Bist 426 Ark 480

I don't see Tritanium much above 5.00, because then Veldspar gets crazy, and that's too easy to mine in hi-sec in bulk

I am leaning more towards Zyd could hit 2200-2800, and possibly Megacyte rising to 3600-4000

Guesses
Trit 5.00 Pye 6.50 Mex 65 Iso 100 Nocx 520 Zyd 2800 Mega 4000 Morph 750
Veld 150 Scor 137 Pyro 181 Plag 182 Omb 110 Kern 189 Croc 508 Bist 511 Ark 560

If any of the hi-sec ores run away from the others, the miners do move to favor that ore, which drags it back down to within 20% of its other hi-sec cousins. I don't think it's farfetched to see Pyrox/Plag/Kern at the top of the "hi-sec" ore pile, with Veld/Scor/Omb bringing up the rear

If CCP does remove the drone poo (or better, trim it back in stages), then the ABCs will definitely bring back a lot of their former glory. Without having to add more minerals to the ABCs (although I still think at least some Mex should be added)

Now we just need to get CCP to change Spod to only have a size of 8 or 10 m3/u, which would position it closer between Dark O and Croc in terms of ISK/m3. Maybe even lower the m3 size of Dark O down to 7 instead of 8.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#82 - 2012-03-16 16:29:31 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:

Today
Trit 4.58 Pye 5.31 Mex 54.96 Iso 73.74 Nocx 567 Zyd 1173 Mega 2733 Morph 498

Guesses
Trit 5.00 Pye 6.00 Mex 60 Iso 100 Nocx 500 Zyd 2200 Mega 3600 Morph 650
Veld 150 Scor 133 Pyro 173 Plag 170 Omb 110 Kern 181 Croc 406 Bist 426 Ark 48


At three hulks mining crokite in deep blue with 1800 m3/min apiece, that becomes 55 mil/hr per alt and 165 mil/hour in total. Someone will drop vanguards and anomalies for 65% more cash per hour. Even two mining alts gives slightly better isk/hour than shooting reds. High sec has modest income, but it adds up. 20 mil/hour per alt for kernite at those prices (and mining volume) and you can run a lot of alts. Roughly 15 hours would pay for most of the capital costs of the ships and 25 hours per month would pay for the alts themselves. Anything past that is gravy.
lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
#83 - 2012-03-16 18:11:33 UTC
Nocxium is about to follow the jump. Why? Because while only 40% of zydrine comes from drone compounds, drone region's share in nocxium is 51%. Nocxium prices are up 10% during last few days and people are buying it like crazy. One guy even put up a buy order for 100B. Big smile
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#84 - 2012-03-17 06:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Skydell
Wukulo wrote:
Skydell wrote:
This is a market manipulation, not a supply and demand issue.

A Nyx uses 825K Zydrine
A Nyx uses 1.1 Billion Trit.

Zydrine is over rated.


So... because you need more trit Zydrine is worthless? I'm digging your logic. I'll take your Zydrine off your hands if you don't want it.


I never said it was worthless but if you are ever inclined to trade me the trit needed for a Nyx for the Zydrine, I'm game.

And more to the point, those percentages are not exclusive to a Nyx. Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#85 - 2012-03-17 11:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tasko Pal
Skydell wrote:


Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)


And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#86 - 2012-03-17 17:08:07 UTC
Tasko Pal wrote:
Skydell wrote:


Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)


And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit.


That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc. Even if they do remove drone poo, they nerfed NOS years ago and smartbombs were never any good. Drop loots on off meta emissions transfer loot, NOS type mods and smartbombs alone will carry Zydrine demand. People might have stopped looting it because of Drone poo markets but once drone poo is gone, people will start running loot reproc sales again. We have never been in a shortage of Zydrine in EVE.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#87 - 2012-03-17 17:20:10 UTC
Skydell wrote:

That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc.


Reprocessing drone poo. That apparently will change.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#88 - 2012-03-17 17:31:09 UTC
Tasko Pal wrote:
Skydell wrote:

That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc.


Reprocessing drone poo. That apparently will change.


Cut out all the valid points, ignore them. You win the forums. It still doesn't make Zydrine rare.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#89 - 2012-03-17 18:29:32 UTC
keywords; chaining drones : exclusivity : general use : pre drone patch min prices : current increased use of mods.


If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2012-03-17 19:16:56 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Tasko Pal wrote:
Skydell wrote:


Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)


And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit.


That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc. Even if they do remove drone poo, they nerfed NOS years ago and smartbombs were never any good. Drop loots on off meta emissions transfer loot, NOS type mods and smartbombs alone will carry Zydrine demand. People might have stopped looting it because of Drone poo markets but once drone poo is gone, people will start running loot reproc sales again. We have never been in a shortage of Zydrine in EVE.

look at this idiot who thinks mods take up any appreciable amount of minerals

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2012-03-17 19:17:45 UTC
t1 mods, now there's a big source of mineral demand!

sorry gotta install another titan brb

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2012-03-17 19:18:59 UTC
then off to buy 2000 tornados

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#93 - 2012-03-17 19:37:16 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
then off to buy 2000 tornados


Sounds like I need to reproc that medium smart bomb I've been hanging on to so we don't run out of zydrine!
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#94 - 2012-03-18 03:49:55 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Tasko Pal wrote:
Skydell wrote:


Things that use Zydrine require very little of it. many things don't require any Zydrine at all (T2 Heavy Missle Launchers)


And that point is irrelevant since you didn't consider supply too. Supply of zydrine is much lower and harder than supply of trit.


That's what I am saying though, Zydrine supply is not low. It has never been low. The amount of Zydrine needed for the percentages used in productions could be met in reproc. Even if they do remove drone poo, they nerfed NOS years ago and smartbombs were never any good. Drop loots on off meta emissions transfer loot, NOS type mods and smartbombs alone will carry Zydrine demand. People might have stopped looting it because of Drone poo markets but once drone poo is gone, people will start running loot reproc sales again. We have never been in a shortage of Zydrine in EVE.

look at this idiot who thinks mods take up any appreciable amount of minerals


Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-03-18 09:40:24 UTC
To the Exhumers! Everyone!
Broken Thoughts
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-03-18 09:52:17 UTC
Raven Ether wrote:
To the Exhumers! Everyone!


Man the Noctis! Everyone!
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#97 - 2012-03-18 10:42:44 UTC
Skydell wrote:
[...] I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.

Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them.
Mookie Quantico
Doomheim
#98 - 2012-03-18 13:37:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Mookie Quantico
El 1974 wrote:

Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them.


... which wont' change in the least.. since mission loot got it's very own nerf well over a year ago (read: no stockpiles left from that source)... so not like taking the time to loot missions will suddenly improve mission profits versus straight blitzing.

Get used to it kiddies... Zydrine... and Nox (again, major source is drone alloys)... are about to rise steadily for a good, long run.

Mook
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
#99 - 2012-03-18 14:24:10 UTC
Skydell wrote:


Coming from a moon goo princess, your troll fest doesn't mean much to me. I've ratted in null, I know how many Large NOS, off meta transfer arrays and smart bombs drop and if I muliply that by 10,000 other players ratting, tractoring thier loot and running reproc I know how much Zydrine it would put in the basket. I've gotten 10K Zydrine myself in a week just doing casual. Sorry you are wrong, sorry it bothers you so much.


It's worth noting that Jita alone chews through more than that much every few days even if every casual ratter/missioner works as hard as you do and is as numerous as you claim (and aren't doing incursions instead). And a lot of null sec zydrine gets turned directly into supercaps and such, as the moon goo princess indicated. Keep in mind that the drone regions have considerably more industrialization than the rest of null sec.

Back in early 2009, CCP Chronotis (see comment #46 page 2) gave zydrine production at 43% mining, 18% loot, and 40% drone. Since then, loot and drone poo have both been changed (loot and drone drops of zydrine have been reduced and the extremely productive noctis introduced).

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=989786&page=2#46

(Sorry about the raw link, normal linking didn't work.)

To be blunt, I think things haven't changed that much. If zydrine gets eliminated altogether from drone drops, then there will be a considerable reduction in the supply of zydrine no matter what you and other "casual" ratters/missioners do to increase your zydrine production (short of actually mining the stuff that is, heh).
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#100 - 2012-03-18 14:36:30 UTC
Mookie Quantico wrote:
El 1974 wrote:

Add to that a few thousand hisec mission runners who currently blitz their missions rather than loot them.


... which wont' change in the least.. since mission loot got it's very own nerf well over a year ago (read: no stockpiles left from that source)... so not like taking the time to loot missions will suddenly improve mission profits versus straight blitzing.

Get used to it kiddies... Zydrine... and Nox (again, major source is drone alloys)... are about to rise steadily for a good, long run.

Mook

After the mission nerf I stopped looting for a while. Thanks to inflation I started again. I just hope you are right, as I rather do missions than incursions.