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Give gallente pilots SP resets so we can all go minmatar.-DELETE PLEASE
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Fer DeLance
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#21 - 2012-03-18 01:00:35 UTC
Please STOP saying again and again and again how Gallente suck in this game, because people might actually listen, and switch to other races. And that will dramatically increase the difficutly of making kills. As it is now, when i see a Gallente ship, it's almost a 100% guaranteed kill.

Oh... and the buff... it still does nothing. Small blasters, which are Gallente's best tracking turrets, still have trouble to even track rat frigates in highsec belts, let alone ships like rifter, or merlin and many other player driven frigates.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#22 - 2012-03-18 01:04:55 UTC
As Trolltastic the op is, he makes a point.

This was a post in the newbie forum regarding fleet doctrine.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81458&find=unread

And here is a 2nd post where I directly asked the question.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81859&find=unread

He is not making this stuff up out of thin air, there is some prevenant belief that Gallente Ships.. are not useful, or do not fit the Mold presently set for the game (or as Some Say, Gallente Ships don't fit in the Holy Trinity).

Yaay!!!!
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#23 - 2012-03-18 01:05:35 UTC
If every fight was an arranged honoure~ 1 v 1 then you would find Gallente doing very well for themselves. Same in a small gang scenario, too.

What doesn't happen is a Gallente ship kites on the edge of point range and then just runs away if it can't win. This is why minmatar ships get used most often; small scale PVP rarely results in lossmails.

This doesn't make Minmatar overpowered, it just makes them an obvious FOTM and mainstay choice for KD ratio junkies.

Ironically, a lot of people train minmatar because they listen to **** like the OP here and think it's the best, then go ahead and use the ships in completely stupid scenarios because they're clueless. Like a kiting Cane trying to engage a blaster boat within scram range. That doesn't end well.

Some caldari ships can be flown in exactly the same way (nano Drake, 100mn Tengu) and are considered overpowered for exactly the same illogical set of reasons.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#24 - 2012-03-18 01:06:03 UTC
Fer DeLance wrote:
Please STOP saying again and again and again how Gallente suck in this game, because people might actually listen, and switch to other races. And that will dramatically increase the difficutly of making kills. As it is now, when i see a Gallente ship, it's almost a 100% guaranteed kill.

Oh... and the buff... it still does nothing. Small blasters, which are Gallente's best tracking turrets, still have trouble to even track rat frigates in highsec belts, let alone ships like rifter, or merlin and many other player driven frigates.


Come at me bro.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#25 - 2012-03-18 01:07:35 UTC
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
its fleet fights, and maybe gallente are improved for solo/small gang but for fleets unless your a sniper they arnt very good. again please delete this thread.


you realy that stupid or you on class A narcotics Ugh

in small gangs gallente kicks ass like NO OTHER race... all they need is a tackler that points someone and give tou a warp point at the same time to warp in perfect range of your blasters press F1 and drop drones and let them attack and NOBODY will outdamage you.

you will do so freaking much DPS that you will be nr 1 damage dealer if not you ar doing it wrong

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#26 - 2012-03-18 01:14:40 UTC
Ellendras Silver wrote:
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
its fleet fights, and maybe gallente are improved for solo/small gang but for fleets unless your a sniper they arnt very good. again please delete this thread.


you realy that stupid or you on class A narcotics Ugh

in small gangs gallente kicks ass like NO OTHER race... all they need is a tackler that points someone and give tou a warp point at the same time to warp in perfect range of your blasters press F1 and drop drones and let them attack and NOBODY will outdamage you.

you will do so freaking much DPS that you will be nr 1 damage dealer if not you ar doing it wrong

i think your on the narcotics bro, i said they ARE IMPROVED for small gangs, which i dont fly, learn to read before you post.
Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#27 - 2012-03-18 01:17:55 UTC
im pretty sure alot of these fanbois are eve devs on alt forum toons :) it must get frustraiting with people crying improve this nerf that do this do that but i really dislike the gallente game style and would really appreaciate an SP reset. kthxbye.
Tovartis Roberts
Simulation 1
#28 - 2012-03-18 01:21:35 UTC
any1 know any CSM candidates that will push for minmatar nerfs, gallente wormhole'ing buffs?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#29 - 2012-03-18 01:22:41 UTC
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
any1 know any CSM candidates that will push for minmatar nerfs, gallente wormhole'ing buffs?


easy way to lose!
Ai Shun
#30 - 2012-03-18 01:38:35 UTC
Voith wrote:
Did you really just ******* post a killboard link to a T3 vs a T1 Frigate as an example of balance?


That was amusing. That poor T1 Frigate player, probably just trying to figure out how to target something and he gets jumped by a Proteus and is then held up as a shining example of how powerful Gallente ships are. Love it.
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-03-18 01:56:33 UTC
A Thorax can get 900+ dps, a brutix 1200+ dps, both with good range aswell. Doesn´t seem that bad for being "useless".
OfBalance
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-18 02:00:01 UTC
The minmatar illuminati have requested that I post confirming that everything is fine and gallente are fine.

But seriously, this is a bad thread.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#33 - 2012-03-18 02:17:22 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
sure bro once you've popped that first called target and it takes you a year to get in range of the next primary?!


It's why god invented microwarpdrives...

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15173664 - look at this. It should have been able to neut my wee brutix to oblivion. Not at all, because I got myself a warpin point with a falcon and dropped right on top of it just as it focused a cycle on said falcon. The pilot didn't even have a chance to scream.

Gallente ships are brawlers. If you NEED to move, you're doing it wrong.


you do realize gal ships with mwds cant be flown without capboosters.... so rl question is.... how long you last without them and die horrible

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#34 - 2012-03-18 02:26:28 UTC
The Gallente blaster boats are just fine in 1v1 or small gang (5-15 folk).
But, as an earlier poster mentioned, you've got to be in the right place at the right time.
If you have to close too much distance, especially in 1v1, .... get out!

Nick

Nothing clever at this time.
Vangelios
#35 - 2012-03-18 02:31:05 UTC
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
delete this thread im already training to WINMATAR just alot of people arnt as patient as me so just quit eve once they realise they have picked a mostly dud race.


You have 17mil sp.
I may say that patience is not your virtue.
There is no dud race in eve, just dud pilots.
There is no WIN button in EVE.
Good luck.

... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-03-18 03:15:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Nothing wrong with Gallente. They only really suck in large-scale fleet warfare.


counter-point: gallente caps

non-troll counterpoint: lachesis

(lollente)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-03-18 03:53:22 UTC
Quote:
you do realize gal ships with mwds cant be flown without capboosters.... so rl question is.... how long you last without them and die horrible


You do realize that mwds don't need to be permarun in 95% of combat situations.
You also realize that most Gallente ships, being armor tanked, have ample midslots for a cap booster.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#38 - 2012-03-18 04:45:24 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Quote:
you do realize gal ships with mwds cant be flown without capboosters.... so rl question is.... how long you last without them and die horrible


You do realize that mwds don't need to be permarun in 95% of combat situations.
You also realize that most Gallente ships, being armor tanked, have ample midslots for a cap booster.


Honestly, permarunning is stupid as hell unless you're an interceptor or kiting.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2012-03-18 05:23:36 UTC
He was doing okish till the wormhole comment. Then it was just 0/10 again.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-03-18 05:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sisohiv
Tovartis Roberts wrote:
im pretty sure alot of these fanbois are eve devs on alt forum toons :) it must get frustraiting with people crying improve this nerf that do this do that but i really dislike the gallente game style and would really appreaciate an SP reset. kthxbye.



I don't know if i'd go that direction. Too many linear and agenda driven attitudes. EVE forums are like Sunday morning infomercials, still trying to convince you to buy the snake oil. Unfortunately EVE is the snake oil.

As someone else pointed out, the thing with winmatar is, they leave when they can't win. They have the speed to dictate range and range dictates Optimal and optimal is dps. So Winmatar, win.

Any idiot that tries to tell you to fit an MWD on anything but winmatar ignores the fact that the Winmatar will have one as well and the best you can do is make him use it. He doesn't care because he doesn't need that cap for his guns.

It isn't just Gallente though. Amarr suck for the same reason. Slow, can't hold optimal and never get to effect thier maximum dps.

- Add On Amarr can however abandon thier bounus and fit Artillery Cannons due to thier immense PG and CPU.

EWar and superior shield tanking allow Caldari to live, Winmatar do the rest.