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You don't even come close to second or third best Mitty.

I've gotten the impression that this thread isn't so much "Why did people vote for Mittani", because that's been made clear, as it is "Why didn't people vote for me?"

It's already been made clear why people voted for Mittani.

They didn't vote for you for the following reasons:

1. Your big push came after voting was wrapping up.
2. Your big push consisted mostly of making threads here, which only appeals to a small audience.
3. Your ideas, which have something to do with walking in stations and mining, weren't fleshed out.
4. You focused on how much you hate goons and how you're the non-goon candidate rather than fleshing out your ideas and debating them.
5. Seriously, flesh out your damn ideas and debate them. If you ragepost about goons, we'll troll you because it means you're a fun diversion. Trolling a genuinely well reasoned, well intentioned, and well presented argument isn't something many of us would do.
6. Any ideas you do have are vastly overshadowed by your terrible campaign manager. How many anti-goon candidates have there been? How many have gotten more exposure than you? You're splitting a small vote.

My advice is this. You want to be the WiS/mining candidate? Put together the best goddamn set of ideas for mining and walking in stations anyone has ever seen and try again next year. Think of ways to use mining to bring industry to nullsec, make mining by non-botters viable and competitive, and all the other issues I'm not aware of. Present multiple solutions to each problem, debate pros and cons, and all that crap. Do the same thing for walking in stations, with the additional caveat that you need to explain why resources from flying in space should be diverted or how to avoid diverting resources.

Basically, you need to make it clear you absolutely know your **** and are not using a gimmick like "I hate goons grrr" to win. Then people will talk about your ideas rather than your joke of a campaign manager. Then maybe you'll get invited to debates (as it is, you'd fall more on the comedy/Xenuria spectrum of why someone would debate with you). In the debate, you'll get exposure. Then, maybe you'll win.

As it is, all I remember about you is you keep posting really stupid anti-goon threads and it's pretty funny but getting tired.

Pretty solid statement really. Sometimes you have to be able to seperate the in-game actions from the RL person. I had a hard time doing that when I was younger and dumber, assuming people who acted like complete arses in game had to be horrible ******** people in RL as well. Then with age came a little wisdom.

Enemy is a far too big word.

I just dislike Goons in general.
I dislike their playstyle. And god forgive me for a socalled stereotyping, but to play an utter ******* there has to be a basis present.
Most that Mittens has done is rest on the laurels of others. Make a lot of wind but lack of substenance himself.
His "idea's" are all generated by others.
His firing at previous CSM's lacks all foundation simply because if it hadn't been for the previous groundwork they put in the position of the CSM would be far less than it's now.
Without the previous 5 CSM's the whole thing would have looked else, but it's just another of the convenient things to put aside or even ridicule.

The only things that bare truth for Mittens are the things which he can agree with, anyone not agreeing or having different idea's get trolled by him and his dwarven henchmen.
There is not much discussion from him on the forums. It's mainly namecalling, trolling or bashing. It's a sad mind who feels the need to show superiority by not upping his own game but by trying to lower other people's game.

So that is in short the bare essence as why Mittens would be one of my last choices for the CSM.

Heh, I can't say I've looked into the necro market - it's a bit niche and obtaining product can be problematic.
But, I'm pretty sure someone has it cornered.

I voted for Mittens and I've never had any affiliation with goons in this game or on the internet in general.

My two major reasons were
1) Based on my own game play experiences as a casual player. This included highsec and nullsec mining, highsec missioning, nullsec ratting, minor nullsec warfare, highsec trading, highsec wars, etc. A lot of the concepts espoused by carebear candidates and especially anti-nullsec candidates are just game breaking(jump bridge removal, making highsec as profitable as nullsec, etc)
2) Mittens and many of the other "block candidates" really do have a better understanding of the game than a lot of the carebear and anti-nullsec ones. Most nullsec players either have alts in highsec that they play regularly or spent much of their time there before moving to nullsec. It's a myth to suggest they don't understand highsec play.

In your own CSM thread, the goons and some other players showed that they understood the problems with mining better than you Issler. When you said most miners don't care about profit and want mining mechanics to change, while ignoring the more fundamental problem relating to mining's general profitability because of all the botting in the drone regions. I was a highsec miner back in the days of Apocrypha when you could sit semi-afk and still make a decent amount of isk/hour while doing something else in RL. I can tell you this CSM did a better job of addressing the problems with mining than you've described in your platform

I'm one of the highsec dwellers who normally just lurks on these forums to get a feel for the goings on in eve and is happy to see the political theatre and trash talk that make eve worth playing. We aren't represented by forum goers who align themselves against nullsec candidates with a vague agenda that usually isn't even accurate.

Still betting on about 7500 for The mittani possibly higher just not 10k.

I'm going to compare Issler Dainze and Hans Jagerblitzen real quick.

Both of them are highsec candidates. Hans focuses more on faction warfare. Issler focuses more on industry and miners. But both claim to have highsec goals like mining, industry, and PvE in mind, though I guess Hans is a bit more PvP oriented. For all intents and purposes, they have a similar platform from my perspective. Both of them have stated anti-nullsec/goon/Mittani sentiments, so my personal relationship towards them is about the same in that I don't really care about either of them. Mittani is getting 10k votes or more, the divine mandate, and then we're gonna have a big party. Suck it.

So I don't care about their goals and I don't care about them personally, but Hans is running a really good campaign, which I have not trolled, whereas Issler is running a really bad one, which has been really fun to troll. Why?

First, their opening posts.

The most informative part of Issler's opening post is:



The rest is a bunch of platitudes like



and



No mention of what she actually intends to push to improve those issues. No mention of current problems. No links to documents, blogs, or other locations that might expand on her ideas. Most telling is the fact she was a CSM member before, yet does not bother to say what she learned or accomplished, nor is there even a mention of her previous tenure. It's almost like she's ashamed of it or something, because normally having previous experience would be a huge plus.


Now lets look at Hans:


Hans uses a lot of platitudes as well, though he does go into a bit of detail about his faction warfare positions. More importantly he links to a blog and a 22 page PDF where he actually explains his stances, and talks about how he's been in touch with important people in the faction warfare community to create a unified agenda.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1202/Hans_Jagerblitzen_for_CSM7.pdf

http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/

I really liked the fact he actually includes endorsements and the results of his conversations with other CSM candidates, which means he's been in contact with them, even the ones he's against. He has been communicating with the people he hopes to work with. We can see that there's actual effort and thought put into his campaign and his positions. He also mentions the round table discussions and that, while he was unable to attend, he puts together responses to the questions and otherwise explains what he would have said had he been there. He's actively trying to get his message out, and he's been doing so in a manner that will get both the attention of the current CSM and his constituents.


Now, onto campaigning. As of this post, there are 30 threads on the front page. Six of them have Issler or Frying Doom as an opening poster. The Mittani currently has three threads about his campaign, one of which is his "office of the chairman" thread which is more of a comment box than anything. Mittani also has another one on the third page. Hans has one. All his important ideas are in one, cohesive place. His campaign is based on working with people interested in factional warfare to construct a unified, non-alliance voting bloc.

Issler seems to think that spamming the front page, having her campaign manager spam, and all that crap is productive somehow. Having your ideas in half a dozen places is not a good thing. It's annoying to anyone who actually uses these forums to vote. Worse yet is the fact that the majority of the threads are about goons. They're not even ideas! Is it really that hard to put all anti-goon posts in one thread? Why would an anti-goon thread even be needed; it should be clear how your position differs from ours based on your platform alone. Hans states he is against the nullsec bloc then moves on, Issler seems to have gotten stuck for the last week or so.

To state it directly and clearly, Issler, you are not a good candidate. This is not because goons are mean. This is because two turns in the CSM have apparently not given you enough experience to even mention it in your opening post, your entire platform is based on the fact you don't like goons and something something miners, and your campaign strategy is for you and your unleashed monkey to spam threads after the election is mostly over. You are not the rational candidate, you are a joke candidate. Xenuria and Riverini did it better, you're the aftershow.

Isn't cheating. It's planning far ahead. Further than most people comprehend.

And honor and goons never went well in one sentence anyways so no loss there.

It's a poster.

Like a propaganda 'Vote For Me' thing.

Maybe you have not seen them before?