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Sibr Aleoph
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-13 23:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibr Aleoph
So, i fit up a maller, t2/meta4, and it seems to me the maller's powergrid is a bit... shall we say.. lacking. Since caldari and those other ships got all those bonuses, can the maller get a bit more powergrid. not a ludacris amount, but enough to make a 800mm plate fit viable. if its possible, and im just doing something wrong, please by all means link the fits ,and you'll be greatly appreciated.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-03-13 23:10:24 UTC
Yes you are correct, its horrible to fit and is a bad ship at its current state. It can do some good baiting with small guns or something but other then that go for the omen.
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
#3 - 2012-03-13 23:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Luba Cibre
[Maller, Maller]
Damage Control II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Small 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

I like the Maller...

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Sibr Aleoph
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-03-14 02:26:24 UTC
thanks for the advice Nalha, and for the fit luba.
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
#5 - 2012-03-15 03:02:57 UTC
Maller makes an awesome cheapy capping or repping ship...

It has the strongest capacitor of all the T1 cruisers, and has enough highslots to do the job well. I find it makes either an after action repper (hull/armor) or a pos bash capper, (abandoned or afk corp) and can be stable if fit right.

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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#6 - 2012-03-15 03:29:49 UTC
Here's my favorite way to run it. This is a small gang pvp setup, but PVE would only need to change the mids and swap the plate for a repper.


[Maller, Maller fit]

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

240 DPS with scorch, 300 with Multifreq, 1500m/s top speed and 6 sec align, and still toting 19k EHP. The dmg this puts out will surprise everyone because maller's are supposed to hit like wet noodles and be completely overtanked. By the time the other guys have figured out that you are actually doing dmg and kinda maybe should be shot at, you've got a lot of burn time in already. It's no rupture to be sure, but a rupture can't project it's dps to 25km either.

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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#7 - 2012-03-15 09:45:18 UTC
I have strong hope into the ship-rebalance.

from DEV Blog
Quote:
Combat ships: designed for direct fights, such vessels are usually found spear heading an attack force, or sniping from long range. Have great damage and defense, but poor mobility. A good representation would be 18th century "ships of the line". EVE examples: Abaddon, Rokh, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Ferox, Maller.


poor mobility: checked
great defens: checked
great damage: to be balanced ;)

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Kn1v3s 999
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-15 09:51:08 UTC
T1 Amarr cruiser are pretty terrible, except for the Arbi (that requires good drone skills)
Amarr shines when you can fly their t2 cruisers or BS
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-03-15 12:05:22 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
I have strong hope into the ship-rebalance.

from DEV Blog
Quote:
Combat ships: designed for direct fights, such vessels are usually found spear heading an attack force, or sniping from long range. Have great damage and defense, but poor mobility. A good representation would be 18th century "ships of the line". EVE examples: Abaddon, Rokh, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Ferox, Maller.


poor mobility: checked
great defens: checked
great damage: to be balanced ;)


Future: Ferox battling a Maller, wow where is this game going Lol
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-15 12:51:28 UTC
Use Auto Cannons... no really

No Worries
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-15 15:47:09 UTC
Maller is best for killing frigates - just equip small pulse II or beam II lasers and standard tank for Maller ....

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Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-15 16:56:13 UTC
The only good Amarr t1 cruiser is the Arbitrator. Thorax and Rupture are superior to the Maller and Omen in virtually every way. They're even better with lasers.
Alara IonStorm
#13 - 2012-03-15 17:24:44 UTC
Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:
The only good Amarr t1 cruiser is the Arbitrator. Thorax and Rupture are superior to the Maller and Omen in virtually every way. They're even better with lasers.

This really.

Even if you gank fit the Maller it does less DPS then other races Cruisers with a tank fit. With a Gank fit it still has no damage bonus and drones, drones are mistakenly consided an anti-frig weapon, it is for sure but that extra DPS is important on any sized target. Made worse by not having that much DPS to begin with. In it's tank fit it does absolutely lol DPS which makes it bad for gangs but can be Ok in some 1v1 scenario's.

It makes an Ok Frigate Killer with Small Pulse Lasers and a full low slot tank but most Frigates won't engage it at that range and most Frig fleets won't without knowing they have the DPS to bust it wide open. It makes good cheap bait but it is so obvious that most people know what they are getting into.

Ships like the Rupture, Vexor and Thorax tend to kill T1 Frigates fine and much faster while being able to simultaneously egage Ships in their own wait class and that damage stacks well to fleets. Maller is just a good tank not fit anything for bait for small gangs or an easily spotted trap for Frigates that unlike other Anti Frig ships can not project range making it hard to kill what is not attacking you directly. Ships like the Vexor, Caracal and Arbitrator can project anti Frig weapons over the entire gang.

Jojo Jackson wrote:
I have strong hope into the ship-rebalance.

from DEV Blog
Quote:
Combat ships: designed for direct fights, such vessels are usually found spear heading an attack force, or sniping from long range. Have great damage and defense, but poor mobility. A good representation would be 18th century "ships of the line". EVE examples: Abaddon, Rokh, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Ferox, Maller.


poor mobility: checked
great defens: checked
great damage: to be balanced ;)

As do I. I think that besides the Speed / Fitting / Tier issues that are being worked on what would benefit the Maller most is a Damage Bonus like it's big brother the Abbadon gets. a 25m3 Drone Bay would be nice as well but a Damage bonus would be ideal.

Maller is passable within its very, very specific wheel house but compared to the Thorax and Rupture it falls flat in the grander scheme. Though any current discussion of T1 Cruiser balance is really squabbling over a cripple fight compared to Battlecruisers, especially the Hurricane.

High hopes for the Cruiser Balance.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#14 - 2012-03-17 12:35:53 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Yes you are correct, its horrible to fit and is a bad ship at its current state. It can do some good baiting with small guns or something but other then that go for the omen.


CCP knows it's a bad ship, that's why they did a stupid beauty makeover, hoping to make it popular again. Blink

Thrashing a perfectly tough-looking ship model and discarding one of the coolest T2 models while at it. Evil

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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-03-17 14:07:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
[Maller, AC Maller (PvP)]
[Maller, AC Maller (PvP)]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Small Plasma Smartbomb II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

29,510 EHP
237 DPS
Cap stable at 71% if not running the MWD

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"